WEBVTT 00:00:02.880 --> 00:00:08.880 At 2AM with GBTV, go, why can't you fix this bug? And I was like, I'm talking to a fucking computer, 00:00:09.120 --> 00:00:12.800 and it literally will not fix that bug. And I'm like, what am I doing with my life? 00:00:13.920 --> 00:00:21.745 I'm gonna build an AI that builds companies, and then I'm gonna build a thousand companies with all my ideas, and the dream got really big. 00:00:23.025 --> 00:00:36.440 Everyone is building an AI in some way, shape, or form, but there's only a handful of people that are truly building at the fringe of what's actually possible. And today, we're getting to meet one of them. It's a super ambitious project. And so obviously, 00:00:36.760 --> 00:00:43.960 investors love really ambitious project that can change the world. It's also very impactful one if you can help the 99% 00:00:43.575 --> 00:01:00.500 be more of a part of the economy. I'm going behind the scenes with Ben Barocca, the founder of Pulsia, a platform that uses AI agents to autonomously build and launch companies for anyone. The mission of Pulsia is really to give a tool that is able to build any business, but also any idea autonomously, 00:01:00.500 --> 00:01:10.980 setting up a bank account, talking to an accountant doing taxes, to talking to a factory to build something specific, and then plugging into all of these to hiring a human. Ben just closed a $30,000,000 00:01:10.980 --> 00:01:42.965 seed round by making VCs pitch his AI agent instead of him. And his goal is to build the first one person billion dollar company. But the question on everyone's mind is, can he actually pull it off? What you really want is just like Bolsia to rip for you to tell us, Paulsia, hey, like, here's my business. Just do it. I don't wanna babysit you. Your AI just run for twenty four hours straight. This should be such a perfect indication of the fact that you can do this too. Anyone can do this. AI has just leveled the playing field. Go nuts and build something that the world's gonna use. 00:01:46.005 --> 00:01:47.765 Alright. So today, 00:01:48.085 --> 00:02:03.130 we are catching up with a guy called Ben Serra. He's a previously exited founder. He's onto a new venture called Pulsia. It is a agent architecture that allows anyone to basically type a sentence in and build a business and 00:02:03.610 --> 00:02:11.585 have it run completely autonomously twenty four seven. I meant to go on a run-in like twenty minutes. He's like a really good runner apparently. 00:02:11.985 --> 00:02:15.025 So he said he was not that good, which is what every good runner says. 00:02:15.265 --> 00:02:17.665 Probably gonna smoke me, so we'll see what happens. 00:02:34.045 --> 00:02:43.885 Life of a founder, it's like, I feel like you can't eat with the discipline because it's such a drive, and it there's so many ups and downs. You have to find those rituals 00:02:43.885 --> 00:02:53.300 because, like, you you only do your best work when you feel your best. Right? Yeah. And and So that's why, like, it's, like, it's hard for me to live somewhere that feels right 00:02:54.020 --> 00:02:58.260 to have a nice setup, like, a nice life setup when I'm working. 00:02:58.500 --> 00:02:59.140 My posture 00:02:59.940 --> 00:03:06.775 I don't know. Just trying to create the best experience for my customers. Okay. I also feel good. Yeah. I'm also in a good mental state. 00:03:08.615 --> 00:03:09.895 It's a beautiful spot. 00:03:11.655 --> 00:03:13.175 Cheers. Cheers. 00:03:14.055 --> 00:03:16.855 Super hectic run. Super hardcore. 00:03:17.415 --> 00:03:21.870 What's time today? What's going on? So today is gonna be about we have a podcast, 00:03:22.030 --> 00:03:27.070 uh, that we're gonna do in an hour. Oh, actually, the French a French podcast 00:03:27.470 --> 00:03:28.910 going international. 00:03:29.550 --> 00:03:35.445 Yeah. We're gonna release this new feature called Boost. Um, it's code named Boost. Don't I know if you wanna call it Boost yet. 00:03:35.765 --> 00:03:38.485 Uh, but, essentially, it's like a way for Polsia 00:03:38.565 --> 00:04:00.050 to run autonomously for much longer because cost of intelligence is so high. Like, you know, Entropic OpenAI APIs for the top models are so high. You know, the initial product was just like, um, you know, you had to you had one task every night, and then, like, in the product, you could ask to do more tasks every day one by one, and you can commission Polsia to just, like, run continuously for hours and hours. 00:04:08.725 --> 00:04:14.360 Alright. So we are on our way into San Francisco City to go to the office where 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:19.400 Ben works at. He just finished up his podcast. It is absolutely crazy 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:25.480 that within, what was that, like a month and a bit of actually like having this product live, 00:04:25.975 --> 00:04:27.655 that is at a 7,000,000 00:04:28.055 --> 00:04:31.495 annual recurring revenue. That is just insane. 00:04:31.495 --> 00:04:43.020 It is like unheard of heard of numbers here, but it like in AI like it makes it possible. And when you see what he's actually building and what he's built for someone, like I'm like, oh yeah, I would use that 100%. 00:04:43.020 --> 00:04:44.220 Like this is the future. 00:04:44.380 --> 00:04:45.580 It's just insane. 00:05:01.435 --> 00:05:02.475 Can I be in the 00:05:03.515 --> 00:05:05.195 Welcome to the vlog? 00:05:06.315 --> 00:05:07.435 How do you guys know each other? 00:05:08.370 --> 00:05:09.650 We are French. 00:05:09.810 --> 00:05:14.210 French, Texin. Texin. She's a investor at Google Ventures. And 00:05:15.330 --> 00:05:25.025 Yeah. Yeah. We met in LA, I think, two Two minutes at a party. Two weeks ago at a party at one of your investors party, Sufja Morozo. Yeah. And 00:05:25.505 --> 00:05:26.945 the rest is history. 00:05:27.585 --> 00:05:30.945 Very excited about what he's building. I think 00:05:31.825 --> 00:05:33.505 you're really building the future. 00:05:33.745 --> 00:05:36.305 Some people may not see it now, but 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:48.840 it's very exciting. Have you tried the sugary croissant next door from the Magri? Oh my god. Do you want one? Let me get you one. Do you want one? Sure. Okay. Fuck it. You're the best one. I'm telling him that, like, a fast everyday. 00:05:50.440 --> 00:05:53.055 Hello. Bonjour. Hi. In 00:05:55.135 --> 00:05:56.735 my Australian accent. Sometimes 00:05:59.615 --> 00:06:02.655 the universe wants you to eat croissant and you eat the croissant. 00:06:04.700 --> 00:06:16.140 We've been like we've been like fighting it for like we've been fighting it twice on two separate occasions this morning and it's it's happened. Tell me who that was, what just happened, like crazy proximity. Right? I know. So it's actually that's the 00:06:16.540 --> 00:06:23.655 that's an investor from Google Ventures that I met a while back in LA actually at like a party that like one of my investor 00:06:23.975 --> 00:06:41.160 threw back then. And yeah, when I moved to SF, she was one of the people that like I knew and then we hanged out and she actually she had the studio in Marina that she rented from me for a month. So I was in Marina for month. That's why I wanted to take you here. And it's such a cool, peaceful place to get coffee, to get the fourth coffee of the day. And, 00:06:41.640 --> 00:06:46.040 yeah, it's so random that I rent to her, but it's sort of like that serendipity you get in SF 00:06:46.425 --> 00:06:57.945 where you keep on running into people casually and then it's like, well, yeah, when you wanna raise a round, then it's so much easier when you're right there and you can just chat about it over coffee or over croissant. Right? Literally. 00:06:58.590 --> 00:07:19.345 Literally. And it's like if I was in Paris or in Houma or wherever, it's like that doesn't happen. Yeah. So you you can still build. You can still build great things, but you don't run into those people that like lift you up, that like give you opportunities to like go bolder, go faster, you know? Yeah. That's what you get at SF. That's what's a magical place. We're getting to Sapiens 00:07:19.665 --> 00:07:20.545 HQ, 00:07:21.025 --> 00:07:29.025 which is one of the infrastructure for agent sort of companies I work with to help me scale Postiere without having to, uh, rebuild 00:07:29.265 --> 00:07:32.840 the whole Internet myself. So, yeah, the idea is like partnering with the best 00:07:33.400 --> 00:07:34.280 SF 00:07:34.280 --> 00:07:37.160 AI agent startups that are all getting started, 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:43.615 and are all building the the infrastructure for this future that's coming that's now and coming soon. Yeah. 00:07:44.335 --> 00:07:47.695 And yeah, it's like working with other people without hiring employees. 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:15.725 The thing to think about it what would be interesting is sort of like having all these different channels. And so for each one, there's obvious big ones we could target. Yeah. And it's it's podcasters. 00:08:15.725 --> 00:08:23.885 It's like, you know, if it's a late night show, I mean, that's more difficult to do. But, like, at which diff at which stage of the company or which feature 00:08:24.110 --> 00:08:31.870 we think they could be interested. Because of course, we can wait until they invite us, but we can also provoke it with our network of people. But we can maybe 00:08:32.510 --> 00:08:34.990 today is not good. But if we announce the fundraising, 00:08:35.230 --> 00:08:35.950 maybe 00:08:36.325 --> 00:08:44.405 trying our luck to say, who knows? I think the fundraising, we should brute force it on each of those channels because the story is too beautiful to 00:08:45.285 --> 00:08:47.445 not being on all those things, those 00:08:48.085 --> 00:08:48.325 channels. 00:08:49.370 --> 00:08:54.010 The story is basically sort of founder company raising a shit ton of money 00:08:54.730 --> 00:09:30.525 and actually the company growing fast. And I think this should be one of the priorities from us, but also the PR agency Of course. To really be sure that we're going to be pushed on all those different channels. Yeah. Was thinking, for example, the solo founder journey. And that's something interesting. Those are obvious moments. Then there's features that could sound boring, but actually, we could turn it into an interesting story. Yeah. Right? So we talked about boost like the okay. Yeah. It's just a button to get Portia to be autonomous. God mode. But actually, no. Let's turn into let's call it god mode or yolo mode or, like Yeah. You know, like, something that's more interesting than boot. 00:09:33.405 --> 00:10:04.765 It's pretty cool to hear how Ben is actually thinking about go to market virality and customer acquisition, and that is one of the most critical pieces in getting a company like this to a venture scale outcome. But building a product that can actually deliver on that promise is a whole other challenge, and that comes down to the infrastructure partners making it all work behind the scenes. And that was exactly where we were headed next. Polsia, obviously, is building an AI that can build and run businesses for for the 99%, 00:10:04.765 --> 00:10:11.570 which means we get a lot of nontechnical people that, like, go to Porsche and ask them for their dream company or their dream projects. 00:10:12.210 --> 00:10:12.770 And 00:10:13.010 --> 00:10:34.015 sometimes Porsche needs to use a browser to act and to do things. For those who don't understand, would you mind introducing exactly what the product is? Yeah. So Encore Browser is basically an gigantic browser automation workflow that allow you to basically automate anything you want on the web without the hassle of, 00:10:34.255 --> 00:10:37.490 uh, are you human or are you bot and 00:10:37.650 --> 00:10:44.850 do it as fast as you can. So that's basically what we do, and that way we allow agents to interact 00:10:45.250 --> 00:10:49.410 with the web in a seamless way. Polsia is super pumped to be partnering with, 00:10:50.055 --> 00:10:51.575 you know, with Sapient, 00:10:51.575 --> 00:10:58.455 with Anchor Browser, with Blackcell, and a and a few other companies we're talking to to get everyone 00:10:58.455 --> 00:11:06.060 to benefit from each other. Right? Because everyone is is is building a part of the stack, going very deep in a part of the stack. 00:11:06.460 --> 00:11:13.020 And, you know, like, Polsia is, like, building more, like, the the the end product, like, the autonomous loops, the orchestrations, 00:11:13.900 --> 00:11:15.420 the, like, memory layers, 00:11:16.060 --> 00:11:27.645 and, obviously, like, the consumer, you know, the consumer growth, right, which is a big part of, like, what Porsche does and educates people. It's so funny. Like, you know, you're a solo founder, but it still takes a village. 00:11:28.045 --> 00:11:32.685 Right? But, you know, you can be a CEO and raise all the capital 00:11:32.920 --> 00:11:33.640 and 00:11:33.800 --> 00:11:38.360 hire an army with, like, the Lord of the Rings. You know? It's like, okay. 00:11:38.680 --> 00:11:39.800 I'm proto. 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:46.280 Like, guys The fellowship have the ring, but, like, I need, like, you guys to come with me because, like, we're going to Mordor. 00:11:55.195 --> 00:12:05.400 So right now, the infrastructure is quite a it's quite a challenge to build, but it's Yeah. Amazing to see that much apps being deployed in a few sec in a few milliseconds 00:12:05.640 --> 00:12:07.000 or even nanoseconds. 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:34.730 It's insane. I mean, really cool. Like, I love that, you know, we started working on just this inbox, which, by the way, is a whole thing with, like, all the security challenges of those agents Yeah. Going wild and like trying to like break everything if they can. And so being able to contain them into the sandbox where it's like, you know, you stay here, you stay Yeah. The corridor. And also, you know, end of the day, it's about reducing cost for our policy, which means we can reduce cost for the customer and get more customers. 00:12:34.890 --> 00:12:40.250 Yeah. It's the new infrastructure, like, only pay on demand. Like, when you're using stuff, you pay. But otherwise, 00:12:40.410 --> 00:12:52.725 it's free. Exactly. So And it's like I feel like the Internet was built for you. I mean, it was built for humans and for Definitely. And all those like web servers and boxes. It was built for a company to build one web server, 00:12:52.965 --> 00:13:09.070 and so there's like minimum commitment and cost. And when it's just an agent who's spinning up, you know, we're gonna launch a feature soon where it's like a user can launch like 10 businesses in parallel and just like AB test them. Yeah. And it's like, well, I cannot pay like $10 a month for 10 personal accounts. 00:13:09.785 --> 00:13:14.985 That makes no sense. I mean, no. Because actually, these are temporary businesses that get built in like in minutes. 00:13:15.545 --> 00:13:23.065 Yeah. So super excited for you guys to to sort of like figure out. At some point, we'll reach the the the infrastructure problem. 00:13:23.420 --> 00:13:33.420 Yeah. Probably where we need to have more servers. Yeah. But that's our More data centers. Yeah. More data centers. Centers so that we can support all CS growth. Exactly. 00:13:33.500 --> 00:13:34.620 We need to find 00:13:36.105 --> 00:13:42.825 VCs or, I don't know, someone that is excited about this about base scale. I we met a a VC earlier 00:13:42.825 --> 00:13:45.545 today. She's she's she's 00:13:45.545 --> 00:13:46.185 excited. 00:13:46.825 --> 00:13:56.340 She's gonna finance it. Yeah. And then there's the whole GPU problem. Like, that's something we wanna tackle afterwards. Like, we started with a sandbox, but we we want to optimize the whole infrastructure 00:13:56.580 --> 00:14:04.500 Yeah. Network wise, storage wise, GPU wise also. Yeah. And so that's a whole ecosystem that we want to provide. Yeah. I love it. And 00:14:05.115 --> 00:14:14.235 at some point, we'll tackle the GPU problem with our own data centers. All the network is inside these data centers, so you have the most optimal 00:14:14.555 --> 00:14:15.595 sandboxing 00:14:15.595 --> 00:14:17.675 and agentic platform 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:19.400 Yeah. To work with. 00:14:26.680 --> 00:14:29.320 Sapiom is like the infrastructure 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:32.760 that makes Porcelain possible. Porcelain was 00:14:32.985 --> 00:14:38.265 imagined and vibe coded by me. But very quickly as the system scaled, 00:14:38.265 --> 00:14:38.985 it's like, 00:14:39.465 --> 00:14:45.385 okay. There's a whole infrastructure of, like, you know, how do I how do I make sure that, like, when Polsia agents 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:46.560 run, 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:51.360 uh, they're secure, it's scalable, meaning if we go from, like, 1,000 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:58.080 customers to 10,000 to a 100,000, it scales. How do we make sure that, like, agents have all the best APIs 00:14:58.425 --> 00:15:12.090 and at the better at the best cost and that they are allowed to use those scales? So that was sort of, like, the the in the initial partnership. I was like, well, you guys build the payment rails and the API rails, and I'll bring the customers. 00:15:13.370 --> 00:15:14.970 And it's like we win together. 00:15:15.210 --> 00:15:17.290 And and now we are, like, buying GPUs. 00:15:18.490 --> 00:15:23.985 And now we're like, actually, okay. So how do we go from from, like, 7,000,000 00:15:23.985 --> 00:15:34.705 run rate to 70,000,000 run rate? How is it going on the GPU side? Yeah. It's still a mess? Yeah. It's hard to get GPUs. And it's hard to make those GPUs work at, like so we had a good concession today with 00:15:36.100 --> 00:15:41.620 What are they saying? Are they saying, like I feel like it's literally their job to run models. 00:15:41.620 --> 00:15:44.580 I told them. And so it's like told them actually. Do you mean, like, 00:15:44.980 --> 00:15:57.085 the top open source model is has an issue running on your fucking GPUs? Like, it doesn't make any sense to me. Just so I can understand, like, for the audience who doesn't understand how this all works, so you're buying GPUs 00:15:57.405 --> 00:15:58.525 from companies. 00:15:59.245 --> 00:16:01.885 How does that even work? Are you physically 00:16:01.885 --> 00:16:02.605 building 00:16:03.005 --> 00:16:09.170 infrastructure out west to, like, hold the GPUs? No. So there is companies who are actually running 00:16:09.890 --> 00:16:27.575 those GPUs, and they cannot resell the GPUs with the model. So it's similar to Entropic. You know, when you go to Entropic, your API is like technically, Entropic is running GPUs to run their model, but there there are companies that actually kind of reserve and buy kind of GPUs that they will run for you, and you decide the model that you want to run on those GPUs. 00:16:27.735 --> 00:16:33.495 So you can decide which open source model you want to run. So they kind of run those GPUs, and then you book those GPUs for 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:37.640 a year, two years, three years. Uh, and then it's your kind of 00:16:38.040 --> 00:16:40.040 rack on our servers of GPUs, 00:16:40.280 --> 00:16:42.200 and then you can just turn all your traffic. 00:16:42.520 --> 00:16:48.680 And that's at no cost. You just pay the GPUs. And then it's up to you to optimize it and to, uh, leverage all those GPUs. 00:16:49.475 --> 00:16:55.075 But, uh, today GPUs, it's like a black market. Uh, it's almost impossible to get, uh, 00:16:55.395 --> 00:16:58.115 every one of those big companies, and they just 00:16:59.475 --> 00:17:02.835 got sold right away. Uh, so we're always competing against 00:17:03.450 --> 00:17:07.530 people in Asia, people everywhere to get some allocation of GPU, 00:17:07.930 --> 00:17:16.010 which is quite quite interesting. So it's all about connection and, you know, putting investors to figure out how we can connect with the right founders 00:17:16.775 --> 00:17:19.335 and making the right connections to get some clarity. 00:17:19.495 --> 00:17:21.895 To get a computer, that's crazy. Yeah. 00:17:22.135 --> 00:17:23.095 Yeah. Is 00:17:25.975 --> 00:17:30.460 there any sort of advice you'd give a founder who's looking to do something, 00:17:30.620 --> 00:17:52.485 I guess, a bit similar like this? Like, what would you say to those guys out there? I mean, what I think is that until you have product market fit, you should force yourself to be alone or a micro team. Like, you and one other person and that's it. Anyone on the team and if it's just you, it's just you, should use AI all day long like Flock Code, Codex, Polsia, whatever you want. And once you have Falcon Market Fit, 00:17:52.885 --> 00:18:00.180 try to get to replace employees. And what I'm trying to say is that like it will force you to fully understand where's the edge. 00:18:00.500 --> 00:18:05.460 And because once you understand what the edge, it might give you ideas to actually the business you were trying to start in the first place. 00:18:06.195 --> 00:18:11.715 And it's the only way to being able to win in this age is to fully understand the cutting edge. 00:18:11.955 --> 00:18:16.115 And if you start hiring too fast and then you rely on someone else's knowledge 00:18:16.275 --> 00:18:19.705 to build, that's where you may lose. And so stay lean, 00:18:19.945 --> 00:18:21.145 stay solo, 00:18:21.705 --> 00:18:22.505 and 00:18:22.905 --> 00:18:23.625 go get them.