WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.400 People are charging $5,000 00:00:02.400 --> 00:00:06.400 a month per customer to build and manage agents 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:08.560 for them. This is a startup idea 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:14.000 I wish more people would do. The customer doesn't touch tokens or models or any infrastructure. 00:00:14.505 --> 00:00:19.705 They just get a digital employee that knows their business and it gets better every single week. 00:00:20.105 --> 00:00:25.305 In this episode, Nick from Orgo breaks down exactly how to build this business. 00:00:25.465 --> 00:00:37.580 The tools, the stacks, how to onboard a customer in thirty days, and and how to actually sell to busy executives, agencies, and law firms. We also share the full implementation playbook. 00:00:37.820 --> 00:00:38.700 Hermes, 00:00:38.700 --> 00:00:48.965 Cloud Code, memory layers, skills, all of it. This type of episode isn't shared anywhere on the Internet. This is the alpha that people keep for themselves. 00:00:49.205 --> 00:00:51.285 I'm giving it to you for free. 00:00:51.605 --> 00:00:54.245 Enjoy the episode, and I can't wait to see what you build. 00:01:02.210 --> 00:01:06.610 I couldn't be more excited to have Nick from Orgo back on the pod. 00:01:07.265 --> 00:01:08.065 Nick, 00:01:08.465 --> 00:01:12.945 by the end of this episode, what are people gonna get out of it? Greg, 00:01:13.265 --> 00:01:17.745 everyone's gonna learn not only how to run a solopreneur 00:01:17.745 --> 00:01:18.865 agent business, 00:01:18.945 --> 00:01:19.665 but every 00:01:20.030 --> 00:01:28.990 every gap, everything that they're gonna do wrong from the beginning, I'm gonna save them all the time from having to learn from my from from from those mistakes that I made along the way. And 00:01:29.390 --> 00:01:35.405 at the end of this video, you're gonna know what what offer to bring to the market, how to get customers, 00:01:35.485 --> 00:01:36.685 how to fulfill, 00:01:36.685 --> 00:01:39.805 what's the stack for the agents that you're gonna build out, 00:01:40.205 --> 00:01:40.765 and, 00:01:41.165 --> 00:01:50.150 yeah, I'm excited to just dive right in. So So Nick, this isn't gonna just be like a pie in the sky, I I want a billion dollar idea here. This is 00:01:50.550 --> 00:01:51.270 how 00:01:51.590 --> 00:02:01.830 you can take advantage of AI agents to build a business that maybe does a few million dollars a year, but not just not just the idea. Right? You're gonna actually share all the tactics 00:02:02.445 --> 00:02:06.685 from a to z so that by the end of this episode, someone could 00:02:07.005 --> 00:02:11.485 obviously like and comment and subscribe, but, you know, go 00:02:11.965 --> 00:02:15.325 go and start one of these businesses. Right? Exactly. 00:02:15.325 --> 00:02:20.930 And like, I think the big thing is for everyone who's watching the pod, you're probably already 00:02:21.170 --> 00:02:24.450 affluent with AI, and you don't give yourself enough credit. 00:02:24.690 --> 00:02:27.890 And the amazing thing is, like, 99% 00:02:27.890 --> 00:02:29.090 of the world has, 00:02:29.525 --> 00:02:40.965 you know, there's like, many people are so behind on AI, and you you may not realize how valuable your skill set is. Like, oh, if you can set up ClaudeCode, if you can set up Hermes Agent, if you could set up OpenClaw, 00:02:40.965 --> 00:02:46.690 that's a very valuable skill that a lot of businesses don't have time for, and you can monetize that. So 00:02:47.410 --> 00:02:50.610 Alright. I'm intrigued. Let's go. Alright. 00:02:50.930 --> 00:02:54.290 So let me start by I'll share my screen. 00:02:54.770 --> 00:02:58.930 Okay. So let's just dive right in. Let's go into the offer. So 00:02:59.250 --> 00:03:00.130 when 00:03:00.130 --> 00:03:04.185 you're starting a one person agent business, you need to have 00:03:04.425 --> 00:03:06.745 you need to remove all the friction for your customers. 00:03:07.145 --> 00:03:11.545 Um, they don't wanna think about tokens. They don't wanna think about computer 00:03:11.545 --> 00:03:12.585 infrastructure, 00:03:12.665 --> 00:03:13.225 security, 00:03:13.940 --> 00:03:17.540 you know, breaking it when it you know, fixing it when it breaks, 00:03:17.700 --> 00:03:23.460 they they just want it to work. And so the biggest thing is you need to create abundance in your offer. 00:03:23.780 --> 00:03:27.460 And what I have found in in my own personal 00:03:27.700 --> 00:03:31.645 success with this is offering unlimited agents, unlimited usage, 00:03:32.045 --> 00:03:33.565 unlimited monitoring, 00:03:33.565 --> 00:03:36.525 support, security, ongoing changes, etcetera. 00:03:36.925 --> 00:03:42.765 And the key here is you might flinch because you're like, well, how how do how is that even feasibly possible? Well, 00:03:43.430 --> 00:03:51.590 the way to do this is to realize the point it's not that the customer's gonna actually need unlimited agents. They're they're not gonna need unlimited tokens, 00:03:51.830 --> 00:03:57.830 but they might they might think they do. In reality, they might think they need five agents, 10 agents, a 100 agents, 00:03:58.455 --> 00:04:03.335 when really one, two, maybe three agents goes such a far away, 00:04:03.815 --> 00:04:09.815 and you can get a lot of juice for squeeze out of just properly taking the time to set, you know, one or two of these up. 00:04:10.055 --> 00:04:16.880 And that's where your you know, that's how you're going to essentially, like, control your costs. You're not spending too much money on tokens, 00:04:17.280 --> 00:04:23.280 and you're gonna charge 5 k a month for this. And this is the the offer that I've been running, and it's been working really well. 00:04:24.555 --> 00:04:29.195 And, yeah, like, customers don't really need as many agents as they might think they need, 00:04:29.915 --> 00:04:32.635 and you're just gonna show them as quickly as possible 00:04:33.115 --> 00:04:35.355 the magic behind it. So 00:04:35.690 --> 00:04:38.570 this is the offer that I've been running off the rip, 00:04:39.450 --> 00:04:49.770 and I guess I'll I'll read a little bit. I I wrote some of this stuff down. The big thing here is the point is not that the customer needs infinite agents. They don't need infinite tokens or infinite computers. 00:04:50.195 --> 00:04:53.795 Most customers, they just need one, maybe two, maybe three. 00:04:54.035 --> 00:05:00.995 They just need a seamless experience. Like, that is what you as, you know, as your business, as as the solopreneur 00:05:00.995 --> 00:05:02.515 agents agency, 00:05:02.835 --> 00:05:05.315 you're gonna come in, and you're just gonna remove all the friction. 00:05:06.710 --> 00:05:32.615 And the minute that things start to break, like, the business owners that you're gonna be selling to, they're gonna become so reliant, so dependent on these agents that if something does start to break, it is very painful for them. And so in this video, like, I wanna make sure that I help you make it very clear on how to prevent those those those small gaps so that when something breaks, you have something in a way to fix it before they even realize it. 00:05:33.980 --> 00:05:34.700 And, 00:05:34.940 --> 00:05:43.020 yeah, if if a customer if they want constant improvements, how do you keep up? How do you fulfill? We're gonna be going through all of that in this video. 00:05:43.740 --> 00:05:44.380 Cool. 00:05:44.860 --> 00:05:50.695 Yeah. So, I mean, my big takeaway from this is you're selling an AI employee. You're not selling an AI agent. 00:05:51.655 --> 00:05:54.535 People need less agents than they actually 00:05:54.775 --> 00:05:56.055 think that they need. 00:05:56.615 --> 00:06:00.055 And you wanna think about unlimited 00:06:01.330 --> 00:06:04.210 You know, you don't wanna use the word tokens basically at all, 00:06:04.690 --> 00:06:05.250 and 00:06:06.450 --> 00:06:08.930 you shouldn't really worry too much about usage. 00:06:09.810 --> 00:06:18.665 Exactly. Exactly. Because for them, it just it it ruins the magic. The minute you say like, oh, like, you're gonna be paying for x amount of credits, 00:06:18.985 --> 00:06:36.180 and then they're always gonna be wondering, like, oh, how many credits do I have left? And then you're gonna be like, oh, and then it's usage based afterwards. It's like the more clarity, the more simplicity you can create in the offer that it's just straightforward and easy, the faster time to yes, the faster you can get building, and the faster you can just, you know, have a happy customer. So, 00:06:37.940 --> 00:06:38.500 yeah, 00:06:38.740 --> 00:06:47.815 that's the offer so far. And so then the key here is you wanna go vertical. So as always, you wanna clarify, you're not a commodity. You're not just selling, 00:06:48.695 --> 00:06:51.975 you know, Cloud Code. You're not just selling ChatGPT. 00:06:51.975 --> 00:06:56.615 You're you're selling it, like, a vertically specific industry specific agent. 00:06:57.610 --> 00:07:04.490 You're doing it fast. It shouldn't take longer than forty eight hours to get up and running with the first agent for your customer, 00:07:04.810 --> 00:07:19.665 and you need to talk in terms of time, not not time saved, but actually outcomes for the business. So, like, how much revenue can you generate for the business or how much you know, always always business outcomes rather than time saved. I feel like time saved is a little 00:07:20.145 --> 00:07:23.025 overused, and and people are kind of immune to that these days. 00:07:24.305 --> 00:07:25.745 So that's the offer. It's pretty simple. 00:07:26.440 --> 00:07:37.880 And I'll just dive into, like, what we're seeing in terms of our own experience of, like, running this offer. I believe that as a one person business, you can sell these agents into industries 00:07:38.200 --> 00:07:45.925 and really just kinda be not only selling the agents, but also just creating clarity around AI. Like, I think if you're watching this pod, 00:07:46.005 --> 00:07:54.085 you understand AI pretty well. You probably have a better understanding than most people, and you might not give yourself enough credit of how valuable that is. 00:07:55.700 --> 00:08:00.900 And to be the person who can create clarity around all the noise right now, that alone is valuable. 00:08:01.140 --> 00:08:07.780 And and then to be able to couple that with the tools to help solve problems in these businesses, it's like you you you're gonna become 00:08:08.395 --> 00:08:10.395 so so irreplaceable 00:08:10.395 --> 00:08:12.235 for the business that, 00:08:12.635 --> 00:08:16.795 yeah, it's really just gonna be, like, you and the agents are gonna be what drives the value. 00:08:17.915 --> 00:08:19.755 So I have some industries here. 00:08:19.995 --> 00:08:23.435 In red, I have health care and finance because 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:29.320 I don't think that these are necessarily the best industries to start off in. They're very high regulatory 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:31.640 burdens and and red tape. 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:38.995 And so I actually recommend these other industries that we're seeing work really well, which is marketing agencies, 00:08:39.155 --> 00:08:41.715 law firms, insurance agencies, 00:08:42.035 --> 00:08:43.155 manufacturers, 00:08:43.475 --> 00:08:44.435 wholesalers, 00:08:44.435 --> 00:08:45.875 and real estate agencies. 00:08:46.115 --> 00:08:46.835 Um, 00:08:47.395 --> 00:08:52.450 the reason for these industries that you might notice is that they're relatively, 00:08:52.770 --> 00:08:59.970 you know, I would say maybe, like, legacy industries, not not not necessarily, like, you know, new fast growing industries, 00:09:00.130 --> 00:09:06.290 but they want to be fast growing. They want to adopt AI, and they want they have a lot of pain to be able to use it as a tool to 00:09:07.225 --> 00:09:08.825 essentially just grow their business. 00:09:09.305 --> 00:09:18.425 The common pattern with all of them is they want to be a full stack AI company. Meaning, they want to be, like, fully automated with AI. 00:09:18.665 --> 00:09:19.785 That's the dream outcome. 00:09:20.340 --> 00:09:23.300 We're not there yet, um, but 00:09:23.380 --> 00:09:25.700 you can certainly come in and 00:09:26.180 --> 00:09:32.900 start solving the problems from the executive level, and then it'll ripple its way throughout the rest of the, uh, the business. 00:09:34.245 --> 00:09:36.965 And I'll dive in on some of the common patterns, but 00:09:37.685 --> 00:09:39.205 how are we feeling so far? 00:09:39.525 --> 00:09:40.565 Yeah. I think 00:09:41.285 --> 00:09:43.285 those are all people businesses. 00:09:43.685 --> 00:09:45.685 So there's a lot of people. When you have a lot of people, 00:09:46.570 --> 00:09:52.970 there's a lot of waste in terms of efficiency and there's ways to automate things. That's one. Two is 00:09:53.930 --> 00:09:54.730 those 00:09:56.410 --> 00:10:00.250 a lot of these companies want to be AI native is another way to say what you're saying, 00:10:00.995 --> 00:10:03.715 but they don't know how. They might have 00:10:04.195 --> 00:10:05.155 pieces 00:10:05.235 --> 00:10:05.795 of 00:10:06.355 --> 00:10:08.915 their companies that have become AI native. 00:10:10.035 --> 00:10:12.835 They might work with Deloitte. They might work with, you know, 00:10:13.560 --> 00:10:14.440 different, 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:17.960 you know, AI transformation agencies. But, you know, 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:21.800 to assume that these companies are a 100 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:23.240 AI native 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:24.600 is 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:27.720 insane because Yeah. They're not. 00:10:28.695 --> 00:10:31.095 And then the last thing here is 00:10:32.055 --> 00:10:37.575 these categories are large. Right? Like law, it's really large. Insurance agency, it's really large. 00:10:38.215 --> 00:10:42.480 Manufacturing, it's large. Wholesale, it's large. The key here is 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:44.400 once you've identified 00:10:45.040 --> 00:10:50.560 a category that you want to go after, then you have to figure out what is the subcategory 00:10:50.560 --> 00:10:56.615 or sub niche that I want to go after. It's too hard to just focus on wholesalers. 00:10:57.095 --> 00:11:01.175 But wholesale know, and the way to think about it from a framework perspective is, 00:11:01.495 --> 00:11:03.175 you know, pick a category 00:11:03.175 --> 00:11:04.055 and then 00:11:05.015 --> 00:11:07.975 you can you can do like, you know, real estate 00:11:08.220 --> 00:11:15.660 agencies in Florida. So that's like, you know, geography is one way to do it. Or you can pick a 00:11:15.980 --> 00:11:17.020 specific 00:11:17.580 --> 00:11:19.260 type of real estate, 00:11:20.300 --> 00:11:21.260 you know, professional. 00:11:22.025 --> 00:11:26.105 So it could be commercial real estate, you know, agencies 00:11:26.105 --> 00:11:32.025 in Florida. So there's there's different ways to think about how you can niche down, 00:11:32.505 --> 00:11:37.305 and that's going to be really key here because if you want to create an irresistible offer, 00:11:39.280 --> 00:11:40.080 you know, 00:11:40.400 --> 00:11:44.080 a big way to get the attention of someone is to 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.600 be like, oh my god, this person is really speaking to me. 00:11:48.640 --> 00:11:59.285 Exactly. And honestly, like, even a little bit of a, like, some maybe some contrarian advice from my end is, like, you don't I I I a feeling as though you don't have to start 00:11:59.765 --> 00:12:13.730 super niche from the beginning. In fact, you can always niche down after trying a marketing industry, trying a law firm, trying all these different industries, seeing what works well for you, where the market pulls you, and then going super vertical. 00:12:14.050 --> 00:12:28.385 But, um, I really love, like, the concept of, like, it's a design thinking principle of diverge and then converge. So, like, you know, try try many different things as long as it's not, you know, too for too long because you don't wanna get into this constant 00:12:29.185 --> 00:12:47.110 cycle of trying something new and, you know, you never get to focus. But once you find the thing that clicks for you, whether it's you're able to resonate with the audience really well or you're just getting pulled into that market more, like, yeah, go super niche, go sub niche, and use that as your wedge to kind of, like, infiltrate the rest of the market. 00:12:48.685 --> 00:12:50.445 Yeah. I think that's spot on. 00:12:50.845 --> 00:12:51.485 So 00:12:51.965 --> 00:13:11.240 and then as far as the common things that we're seeing. Right? So within all these industries, what you'll find is the people you're gonna jump on calls with, the people that are going to likely be the decision makers and the the ones purchasing your service or your productized service, these are the executives. These are the decision makers. 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:14.040 And when you abstract on all these industries, 00:13:14.775 --> 00:13:24.135 the decision maker at the end of the day has very similar problems no matter what the industry is. They have too many emails, too many meetings, too many follow ups, too many open loops. 00:13:24.295 --> 00:13:32.480 They have context over so many different projects and places and people to keep track of. And so just out of the gate, if you can anticipate this, 00:13:32.800 --> 00:13:39.280 you can have something that you put together that, you know, maybe from a template perspective solves a lot of these issues, 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:44.855 and then you can cater more specifically into that niche, into that vertical for that industry. 00:13:45.015 --> 00:13:51.015 Uh, if it's a if it's a a law firm and you have a partner who wants to buy your services, 00:13:51.415 --> 00:13:58.375 um, you can have all of these things out of the blocks for your agents that you set up, which I'll show you how to do also in this video. 00:13:59.040 --> 00:13:59.680 And 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:09.440 and and then you could also cater it for that particular industry. So, oh, yes, we have a agent that does, you know, um, you know, following, 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:16.095 uh, following up with people, projects, etcetera, but it also manages your cases. It does demand 00:14:17.055 --> 00:14:19.695 demand letters for your law firm. It does 00:14:20.255 --> 00:14:24.095 all the different things and skills that you would need for for, you know, 00:14:24.815 --> 00:14:26.335 maybe a matrimonial 00:14:26.335 --> 00:14:28.495 law firm for instance. So 00:14:29.690 --> 00:14:40.170 that's the, uh, abstraction layer on no matter what, you're gonna be solving a lot of executive problems, and then the key is to layer in, uh, vertical specific solutions as well. 00:14:42.095 --> 00:14:47.055 Okay. So there's that. That's the market. So we talked about the offer. We talked about the market. 00:14:47.535 --> 00:14:49.855 And I have some side things as well about, like, 00:14:50.255 --> 00:14:52.415 how to get customers. At the end of the day, 00:14:54.180 --> 00:14:56.100 I think everyone should make content. 00:14:57.300 --> 00:14:57.940 I 00:14:58.260 --> 00:15:02.820 think if you if you if you can jump on a call, this is just a little tidbit. 00:15:02.980 --> 00:15:10.285 If you can jump on a call with somebody and they know who you are and what you sell without you having to tell them and they're warm to begin with, 00:15:10.685 --> 00:15:18.925 that's the ideal position to be. You never wanna be in a position where you're, you know, having a cold call. You never wanna sell to a cold audience. 00:15:19.245 --> 00:15:26.720 And, you know, in the beginning, you might have to. So, you know, starting for free even is sometimes worth it just to get case studies and get referrals. 00:15:27.040 --> 00:15:27.600 But 00:15:28.400 --> 00:15:31.280 content is, like, overpowered in 2026, 00:15:31.280 --> 00:15:33.520 so I I do recommend that. I mean, 00:15:34.175 --> 00:15:37.935 that's how we met, you know. That's how we met. It's like midnight, 00:15:37.935 --> 00:15:39.215 can't fall asleep. 00:15:39.695 --> 00:15:52.140 I'm like doom scrolling Instagram. I see Nick's face pop up showing me, you know, how to use Open Claw, And I was like, this is a guy who has some sauce and I need him to have him on the podcast. 00:15:52.620 --> 00:15:53.260 So 00:15:54.300 --> 00:15:59.595 the other thing about creating content is not only is it helpful in terms of getting 00:15:59.915 --> 00:16:08.235 your face in front of customers or or your offer in front of customers, but it also helps you, you know, get known, get on podcasts, 00:16:08.395 --> 00:16:18.280 hire the right people. So there's there's a lot of advantages. And in an AI world, when you can use AI to automate a lot of the research and a lot of the 00:16:19.400 --> 00:16:22.120 just help it, you know, the editing and things like that, 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:39.635 just do it. Like, I hate to say it, just just do it. You gotta just do it. It's just like it's the most leveraged thing you can do. It's like content. And then if you think of other, like, leveraged things, it's like, okay, AI or you could also have leverage with talents and software. But, 00:16:41.380 --> 00:16:46.500 yeah. It's it's it's incredible. And I think, like, the trend of 2026 is 00:16:46.740 --> 00:16:48.020 content is king, 00:16:48.660 --> 00:16:49.220 and 00:16:49.860 --> 00:16:58.315 and I'll tell you a little bit of a tidbit as we go into this next segment. But I don't know about you, Greg. I have been going on walks. 00:16:58.635 --> 00:17:03.195 And what I'll do is I'll go on a walk, and I'll I'll send off a long 00:17:04.395 --> 00:17:09.195 horizon task to my agent via Telegram. I have my own, you know, Hermes agent. It's what I use these days. 00:17:10.020 --> 00:17:10.580 And 00:17:11.140 --> 00:17:18.980 it's I'm just like I'm just in awe with what the the world we live in today. Like, how amazing. I can go on a walk, 00:17:19.220 --> 00:17:25.915 and there's work being done on for our for our business and on customers and, you know, for their agents by my agent. 00:17:26.155 --> 00:17:29.435 And I'm just like, if you extrapolate that over the next 00:17:29.755 --> 00:17:31.275 six months, twelve months, 00:17:31.515 --> 00:17:32.075 like, 00:17:32.475 --> 00:17:42.070 the the most leveraged thing you could do is post a piece of content that reaches a lot of people and then have this robot that helps you fulfill 00:17:42.230 --> 00:17:43.830 for the thing that you're providing 00:17:44.150 --> 00:17:49.990 as you go on a walk or right before you go to bed or when you wake up. It's just it's amazing. It's an incredible world we live in. So, 00:17:51.665 --> 00:17:55.185 yeah, let's dive into the stack, shall we? How do we build these things? 00:17:56.385 --> 00:17:57.665 Okay. So 00:17:58.145 --> 00:18:00.385 as far as the tools that you might need 00:18:00.625 --> 00:18:05.585 to fulfill for your service of, you know, providing agents for businesses, 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:09.240 First and foremost, I use granola. 00:18:09.320 --> 00:18:13.080 I love granola. I use it for every meeting. They have an MCP. 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:16.760 You know, you can give it to your agent, and it just has context over everything. 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:21.800 And what I do is these meeting notes from granola, they automatically get synced into 00:18:22.405 --> 00:18:24.325 requests on Trello. 00:18:24.805 --> 00:18:27.685 And so Trello is the customer facing, 00:18:28.725 --> 00:18:30.725 like, essentially project management 00:18:31.605 --> 00:18:39.900 Kanban board that I use. And so, you know, there's a backlog list. There's a to do list. There's a doing list, there's a a done list, 00:18:40.140 --> 00:18:42.300 and the customer can just simply 00:18:42.620 --> 00:18:48.940 drag and drop what they want into the to do list for, oh, I want my agent to be connected to 00:18:49.915 --> 00:19:00.715 my calendar. I want it to have access to this other platform. I want it to create content for me. And they could just add these requests at one at a time. And the key here is 00:19:01.515 --> 00:19:07.000 these agents can, at this point, do so many different things. They could do so many things that 00:19:08.360 --> 00:19:10.120 you almost need to create 00:19:10.360 --> 00:19:15.880 you know, prevent scope creep by, you know, limiting one to two requests in under forty eight hours, 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:23.375 um, because there's a lot. And you could do a lot, but you just need to be careful that you don't, you know, end up drowning in a fulfillment nightmare. 00:19:23.775 --> 00:19:27.455 Um, so that's why Trello is helpful in terms of scoping. 00:19:28.495 --> 00:19:33.160 Loom is awesome. Your customers are gonna want you to send them updates, 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:38.920 you know, send an update at 2AM, send an update at, you know, different times of the day of you implementing 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:45.960 new things for the agent, whether you improve the memory or you improve the the Obsidian vault that it's it's operating off off of. 00:19:46.760 --> 00:19:51.125 Loom is awesome. And then I just use, like, Calendly link. Like, I have a horrible funnel, 00:19:51.765 --> 00:19:53.685 but you can do you can do a lot of 00:19:54.805 --> 00:19:59.845 you can get a lot of bookings. Just Calendly link, personal website, drive traffic there, create content. 00:20:00.565 --> 00:20:07.520 These are, like, pretty much the customer facing tools. And then I have, I don't know about you, Greg. Do you use do you use Superhuman? 00:20:07.520 --> 00:20:09.600 The email tool? Yeah. 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:17.440 I I don't, but people tell me I should. Oh my god. I if you if you have a lot of emails, you're gonna have a lot of emails with customers. 00:20:17.600 --> 00:20:19.715 Oh, man. It's Superhuman 00:20:19.715 --> 00:20:23.555 is amazing. It has a bunch of shortcuts. I love keyboard shortcuts, 00:20:23.795 --> 00:20:25.555 and it just flies through emails. 00:20:26.835 --> 00:20:33.350 And it's not like it's AI generated. Like, it makes you write the email and you have AI help you, but it's just a very focused 00:20:33.590 --> 00:20:34.870 focused platform. 00:20:34.870 --> 00:20:43.910 And then lastly, Asana. I use Asana for internal facing, so not customer facing. You know, if I wanna keep track of some specifics around details of of what needs to be done. 00:20:44.945 --> 00:20:47.425 Yeah. That's the that's the software stack. 00:20:49.425 --> 00:20:57.905 Okay. Let's dive into the the agent side of things now. So for building agents, the irony here is if you don't know how to build an agent, please don't worry. 00:20:58.570 --> 00:20:59.690 I got you. 00:21:00.410 --> 00:21:01.450 We're gonna use 00:21:01.690 --> 00:21:03.290 agents to build agents. 00:21:04.410 --> 00:21:05.290 And so 00:21:05.690 --> 00:21:09.130 Cloud Code, they have a new desktop app. It's awesome. 00:21:09.610 --> 00:21:12.250 OpenAI's codex, they have a new desktop 00:21:12.250 --> 00:21:13.370 app. It's awesome. 00:21:14.205 --> 00:21:18.205 And you can actually use these to build the agents for your customer. 00:21:19.725 --> 00:21:24.285 And as far as what agents to use, you have a couple options. 00:21:24.525 --> 00:21:29.245 You're not gonna sell Cloud Code to your customer. You could or Codex. I mean, you could, 00:21:29.970 --> 00:21:34.850 but I highly recommend using Harmis these days. I find it to be the most reliable. 00:21:35.890 --> 00:21:39.090 It allows you to pick any model. The reasoning here is 00:21:39.570 --> 00:21:49.715 tomorrow, there's gonna be a new model that comes out. It's gonna be infinitely cheaper, and it's gonna be OPUS 4.7 level intelligence. And it's like, you just wanna have the flexibility to quickly 00:21:50.115 --> 00:22:00.350 switch whatever the agent that you're running it, whatever model it's running, be able to switch that quickly. And you don't wanna be married to a platform, married to a tool, married to an 00:22:00.670 --> 00:22:01.630 infrastructure. 00:22:01.630 --> 00:22:02.110 So 00:22:02.990 --> 00:22:03.870 Hermes, 00:22:03.870 --> 00:22:08.350 I really like. Have you played around with Hermes at all? I I think I saw some videos. 00:22:08.830 --> 00:22:10.030 Yeah. Yeah. I have. 00:22:11.635 --> 00:22:14.595 I haven't, you know, quite made the shift yet, 00:22:16.355 --> 00:22:23.395 but I've done an episode on it with my friend Imran, so go check it out if people are interested in learning about how to set up Hermes. 00:22:23.860 --> 00:22:28.180 We called it Hermes because we're fancy like that in the episode, and then we got, 00:22:28.820 --> 00:22:31.540 you know, the team at Hermes, 00:22:31.540 --> 00:22:33.380 you know, quickly corrected us. 00:22:33.700 --> 00:22:42.255 They did? Oh, wow. I I like Hermes. Yeah. Hermes is a little more fancy. If you if you sell Hermes agents, you can charge 10 k a month. Exactly. 00:22:42.735 --> 00:22:48.015 So, yeah, all OpenClaw is commoditized already. You know? It's it's 5 k a month. It's okay. So 00:22:48.975 --> 00:22:50.895 you pick your harness here. So 00:22:51.310 --> 00:22:58.430 this is, you know, the agent that you'll sell, and you need a place for that agent to live. You can use something like Hostinger. You can use Orgo. 00:22:58.590 --> 00:22:59.470 You can use 00:22:59.870 --> 00:23:01.230 whatever. Um, 00:23:01.470 --> 00:23:03.630 I obviously am biased, 00:23:03.710 --> 00:23:05.790 um, but Orgo 00:23:05.765 --> 00:23:07.285 is really nice because 00:23:07.445 --> 00:23:08.725 in one workspace, 00:23:08.885 --> 00:23:16.805 you can have all your agents. You have your agent managing their agents, and I'll dive into all of this, uh, and getting set up. And then lastly, 00:23:17.285 --> 00:23:22.830 you need the tools for the agents. Some things out of the box that I install for every agent no matter what 00:23:23.630 --> 00:23:27.550 outside of just giving them a computer and the ability to use it is 00:23:27.710 --> 00:23:30.270 Composeo. Have you heard of this company Composeo? 00:23:31.325 --> 00:23:36.285 I have, but can you give a one liner for folks who haven't heard of it heard of them? 00:23:36.685 --> 00:23:37.885 This company 00:23:37.965 --> 00:23:39.485 allows you to 00:23:39.645 --> 00:23:43.485 this connector, they they allow you to have one connector, 00:23:43.485 --> 00:23:45.005 one MCP essentially, 00:23:45.005 --> 00:23:52.230 that connects to thousands of other apps, whether it's Gmail, Slack, Notion, what have you. And with one connection, 00:23:52.550 --> 00:23:53.590 you can manage 00:23:54.550 --> 00:24:01.830 you can have access to all the tools that you would need to send an email via Gmail or push something via GitHub or pull a message via Slack. 00:24:02.765 --> 00:24:03.885 It's incredible. 00:24:03.965 --> 00:24:07.885 And it handles the tool, the tool calling, and the authentication, 00:24:07.885 --> 00:24:10.365 which is huge because security is, like, 00:24:11.085 --> 00:24:13.565 biggest challenge of setting up these agents. Like, 00:24:14.525 --> 00:24:27.170 by far, the biggest time sync is getting authentication set up for the customer because you have what's your username and password for this? And then if you email it, it's, like, not secure. So then you use something like Composeo, done. 00:24:27.650 --> 00:24:30.290 So it handles that. And then it handles security 00:24:30.645 --> 00:24:38.645 in that sense as well. Everything's managed to their platform. And then it manages it it handles the tool call. So if you have Composeo set up with all the connectors, 00:24:38.805 --> 00:24:42.645 you can just take that one connector, take it to any agent, and it has all the same connectors. 00:24:43.620 --> 00:24:47.460 So I really like this company. I don't have any affiliation, but I love their product. 00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:50.020 Really great. 00:24:50.340 --> 00:24:52.580 Next up is agent mail. 00:24:52.820 --> 00:24:55.940 This one is I I give every agent an email. 00:24:56.565 --> 00:24:59.205 It adds a nice personal touch. So, 00:25:00.005 --> 00:25:06.805 you know, let's say you're, yeah, you're you're an executive. I give you an agent. You name it Mia, 00:25:07.685 --> 00:25:10.405 and Mia needs it's Mia needs her own email. 00:25:11.230 --> 00:25:19.230 Agent mail allows you to give Mia an email so that she can send and receive emails, and that's really fun because it's it turns into, like, truly, like, a personal 00:25:19.710 --> 00:25:20.510 assistant. 00:25:21.070 --> 00:25:22.190 And then lastly, 00:25:22.190 --> 00:25:23.070 Obsidian. 00:25:23.310 --> 00:25:27.375 You have a video on Obsidian. It did really well. Obsidian, 00:25:27.855 --> 00:25:31.775 super important because at the end of the day, these agents need context. 00:25:32.175 --> 00:25:37.695 And the more context you could provide in a nicely Wiki styled structured format 00:25:37.860 --> 00:25:40.500 and markdown files for the agent, 00:25:41.460 --> 00:25:44.740 it will really just thrive in terms of understanding projects, people, 00:25:45.060 --> 00:25:46.180 things that you're doing, 00:25:46.580 --> 00:25:48.180 so on and so forth. So 00:25:49.140 --> 00:25:50.500 this is the stack. 00:25:50.980 --> 00:25:51.140 And 00:25:52.055 --> 00:25:54.775 as far as models, I guess final touch around models, 00:25:55.575 --> 00:25:56.295 today, 00:25:56.535 --> 00:26:02.855 by far, the best model to use for something like a Hermes agent or an OpenClaw is GPT 5.5. 00:26:04.310 --> 00:26:11.990 It's so efficient with the tool calls. It doesn't eat through tokens like Opus 4.7 from Anthropic does. 00:26:13.190 --> 00:26:17.750 And and OpenAI is very generous around letting you use your paid plan 00:26:18.615 --> 00:26:24.375 with with with any model, like, with any harness like like Hermes or or OpenClaw, 00:26:24.695 --> 00:26:25.495 and then 00:26:26.055 --> 00:26:29.655 and you just get a lot of usage out of it. So I recommend 5.5. 00:26:29.655 --> 00:26:33.655 If you wanna use open source models that are a little more affordable for lighter weight tasks, 00:26:34.470 --> 00:26:35.750 GLM 5.1 00:26:35.750 --> 00:26:37.430 from z AI 00:26:37.510 --> 00:26:44.150 is, in my experience, like, the best open source model to be using. Kimi comes in on a at a close second, 00:26:44.790 --> 00:26:46.390 and these are both more affordable. 00:26:47.030 --> 00:26:49.545 And then OPUS 4.7, 00:26:49.545 --> 00:26:52.905 finally, if you have some long horizon coding task, 00:26:53.705 --> 00:26:56.825 OPUS 4.7 is really great for that. And 00:26:57.145 --> 00:26:58.905 you can actually have your agent 00:26:59.705 --> 00:27:01.385 connect to Cloud Code 00:27:01.840 --> 00:27:06.640 and be able to do these long coding tasks in Cloud Code and then bring that back to the agent. So 00:27:07.520 --> 00:27:08.640 tidbit there. 00:27:09.520 --> 00:27:15.120 I want I don't know if you can do this real quick, but could you give a one liner on 00:27:15.285 --> 00:27:24.405 because people are gonna sorry. Let me take a step back. People are gonna look at this list and they're gonna be, oh my god. Don't know if I I should use Codec or if I should use Cloud Code, if I should use OpenClub, if I should use 00:27:24.725 --> 00:27:25.685 Hermes. 00:27:26.005 --> 00:27:31.390 Should I use Hostinger, should I use Orgo, should I use this, should I can you go and just quickly 00:27:31.870 --> 00:27:33.470 you know, what's Nick's 00:27:33.550 --> 00:27:34.270 stack 00:27:34.430 --> 00:27:38.430 and, like, with a one liner of why you use that tool over the other tool? 00:27:38.750 --> 00:27:39.470 Yeah. 00:27:39.950 --> 00:27:41.310 Codex because 00:27:41.870 --> 00:27:45.710 it's more generous and it's simplest and they have the best desktop app. 00:27:46.305 --> 00:27:49.105 Hermes because it doesn't break and it's 00:27:49.185 --> 00:27:52.065 self evolving. OpenCLO is not as self evolving. 00:27:53.185 --> 00:27:54.545 Orgo because 00:27:54.545 --> 00:27:58.785 we give your agent a computer so it can live in the computer. It could operate the computer. 00:27:59.380 --> 00:28:02.900 We're not just a headless VPS server in the cloud, 00:28:03.460 --> 00:28:04.980 and I'll dive in on that. 00:28:05.860 --> 00:28:06.740 Composio, 00:28:06.740 --> 00:28:08.420 you need this. Everyone needs this. 00:28:08.980 --> 00:28:12.420 Agent mail, everyone needs this. Obsidian, everyone needs this. 00:28:13.060 --> 00:28:13.700 And then 00:28:14.285 --> 00:28:16.845 That's a hot take, by the way. Obsidian, 00:28:16.845 --> 00:28:19.405 everyone needs this. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 00:28:20.205 --> 00:28:20.845 Just 00:28:21.005 --> 00:28:22.365 I mean, explain 00:28:22.365 --> 00:28:26.365 why you should use Obsidian over, say, Notion. 00:28:27.005 --> 00:28:29.245 So here's my Obsidian vault. 00:28:29.910 --> 00:28:30.630 And, 00:28:31.430 --> 00:28:35.470 Greg, I've been I've been building this vault since November 00:28:35.470 --> 00:28:36.390 2025. 00:28:36.550 --> 00:28:39.670 Agents. I mean, a what do you how do how do you say? 00:28:41.910 --> 00:28:43.510 When something's outdated. 00:28:44.070 --> 00:28:46.295 Like, super old. 2025. 00:28:46.295 --> 00:28:47.495 That's forever ago. 00:28:47.655 --> 00:28:48.295 You know? 00:28:49.095 --> 00:28:53.175 So I've been building this vault since twenty twenty five November before OpenCloud, 00:28:53.175 --> 00:28:54.215 before Hermes, 00:28:54.295 --> 00:28:56.215 and it has everything about 00:28:56.295 --> 00:28:57.735 people, projects, 00:28:58.295 --> 00:28:58.695 everything. 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.240 And I'm so crazy. 00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:02.600 I have 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:04.360 limitless 00:29:04.360 --> 00:29:05.400 microphone. 00:29:05.800 --> 00:29:09.720 Even that, daily transcripts get pulled from that into here. 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:25.515 This is genuinely a second brain. Like like, people say Obsidian as a second brain, and then, okay, they they show it. Okay. That's kinda cool. They use it for some research. No. No. No. This is a second brain. And when you have something like this, it is quite literally 00:29:25.830 --> 00:29:27.350 you get to experience 00:29:27.350 --> 00:29:28.470 what personal 00:29:28.870 --> 00:29:30.630 AGI might feel like 00:29:30.870 --> 00:29:32.710 in the next three to six months. 00:29:33.110 --> 00:29:39.110 From now, I'm sure everyone will experience it, but I I feel like I'm getting to experience it sooner because I just have such well 00:29:39.385 --> 00:29:40.265 organized 00:29:40.425 --> 00:29:41.625 markdown files. 00:29:42.905 --> 00:29:45.385 It's incredible. It's incredible. So 00:29:46.105 --> 00:29:48.825 it just gives your agents context on 00:29:50.105 --> 00:29:53.305 what it needs to know given any given tasks, 00:29:53.545 --> 00:29:57.690 and it feels like it just never forgets and it understands you. 00:29:59.050 --> 00:30:03.210 And I think that's at the end of the day, like, we just want an agent that understands us and 00:30:03.530 --> 00:30:08.250 helps us with our business and and just has perfect context over everything we do. So 00:30:09.025 --> 00:30:10.065 Enough said. 00:30:10.785 --> 00:30:16.705 Yeah. And then 5.5 is the best. I would just use 5.5 to make it easy. Yeah. GPT five point So 00:30:18.705 --> 00:30:20.465 as far as that's the stack. 00:30:21.585 --> 00:30:27.970 Now in Orgo, we give the agent a a computer to live in. Greg, let me invite you to this. 00:30:29.170 --> 00:30:32.930 Alright. So I just invited you, Greg, into this workspace in Orgo, 00:30:33.250 --> 00:30:39.295 and we're just gonna quickly spin up a computer here. And I'm gonna spin up a computer. I'm gonna say 00:30:40.975 --> 00:30:42.175 Greg's computer. 00:30:42.735 --> 00:30:44.015 I'm gonna launch it, 00:30:44.575 --> 00:30:47.935 and it launches pretty fast with really fast desktops. 00:30:48.735 --> 00:30:49.375 And 00:30:49.615 --> 00:30:52.255 now that we're in this workspace here in this computer, 00:30:52.870 --> 00:31:02.790 I can now install the agent inside of it, actually. So the agent can live inside of here. So if it's OpenClock, if it's Hermes agent in this case, it will live inside of this environment. 00:31:03.590 --> 00:31:03.830 And 00:31:05.405 --> 00:31:08.525 the key here is regarding to getting set up, 00:31:09.005 --> 00:31:11.325 we have an Orgo MCP 00:31:11.485 --> 00:31:13.005 that is what I 00:31:13.325 --> 00:31:15.565 use for for setting up agents. 00:31:15.725 --> 00:31:23.320 And that little story I told earlier about going on a walk and be able to get work done on a walk, it's because my agent 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:29.160 is using a Orgo MCP to connect to my customer's agents that live on Orgo. 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:33.800 And so what ends up happening is Orgo is like this workspace 00:31:33.395 --> 00:31:34.195 where 00:31:34.435 --> 00:31:37.395 my agent and other agents and myself 00:31:37.475 --> 00:31:38.755 can all collaborate 00:31:38.835 --> 00:31:43.555 on these computers where these agents live and get them set up and configured that way. 00:31:43.875 --> 00:31:44.435 So 00:31:46.020 --> 00:31:47.700 here I have a 00:31:48.420 --> 00:31:50.820 I don't know if can you see my Telegram chat? 00:31:51.540 --> 00:31:52.340 Yep. 00:31:52.900 --> 00:31:57.140 I had my agent last night. Actually, I kicked off a task. I told it to go 00:31:57.140 --> 00:32:01.460 ahead and build out some CLI and skills for 00:32:00.225 --> 00:32:02.065 for for Orgo. 00:32:02.785 --> 00:32:06.545 But I'll start a new chat here, and I can actually just tell the agent 00:32:07.665 --> 00:32:11.665 I'll grab the computer ID from Orgo. So let's grab this computer ID, 00:32:12.785 --> 00:32:13.425 and 00:32:13.830 --> 00:32:16.470 I can give this computer ID to the agent. 00:32:17.990 --> 00:32:20.630 And I'll say, set this computer 00:32:21.110 --> 00:32:22.630 on Orgo up 00:32:25.110 --> 00:32:26.950 computer ID quoted here. 00:32:28.225 --> 00:32:30.305 Let's install Hermes 00:32:30.545 --> 00:32:31.345 agent 00:32:31.345 --> 00:32:33.345 into the VM. 00:32:34.865 --> 00:32:35.505 So 00:32:36.545 --> 00:32:37.985 the reason why 00:32:38.305 --> 00:32:50.100 I tell everyone not to get stressed out or scared about setting up these agents is you really just need another agent to set it up. In my case, I'm using another Hermes agent to set up a Hermes agent. 00:32:50.580 --> 00:32:52.500 In another case, you could 00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:56.420 hell, spin up another computer here. In another case, you can literally install 00:32:57.365 --> 00:33:00.325 something like Claude code into a VM 00:33:00.405 --> 00:33:01.525 on Orgo, 00:33:02.245 --> 00:33:06.325 and you can actually just run Claude code from the terminal here 00:33:06.565 --> 00:33:09.125 and tell Claude code in natural language, hey. 00:33:09.730 --> 00:33:11.730 Let's set up Hermes agent. 00:33:12.210 --> 00:33:15.570 So just real quick, you know, you got Cloud Code install command 00:33:15.810 --> 00:33:16.850 for Linux. 00:33:17.570 --> 00:33:19.010 You find that real quick, 00:33:19.890 --> 00:33:28.925 and you just run this in the terminal here, and you would literally install Cloud Code, run it from here, and have it install Hermes into this VM. 00:33:31.165 --> 00:33:34.685 So the answer to all of our problems, Greg, is that 00:33:35.485 --> 00:33:37.485 more agents is the answer. 00:33:37.965 --> 00:33:40.125 If you're confused on how to set something up, 00:33:40.810 --> 00:33:42.410 have your agent do it. 00:33:44.650 --> 00:33:48.090 And So I'm just gonna install Cloud Code here. 00:33:48.570 --> 00:33:50.090 It's gonna get that going, 00:33:50.730 --> 00:33:51.370 and 00:33:51.770 --> 00:33:53.050 we'll be off to the races. 00:33:53.705 --> 00:33:55.305 This will be a dumb question, 00:33:55.945 --> 00:33:57.705 but why are we 00:33:58.345 --> 00:34:02.265 doing virtual computers versus doing local computers? 00:34:02.505 --> 00:34:05.545 You know, buying Mac minis and and doing that whole thing. 00:34:06.190 --> 00:34:12.270 It's actually a very, very good question. And the reason is we want the ability to 00:34:13.070 --> 00:34:16.510 work on our customers' computers from where we're at. 00:34:16.750 --> 00:34:19.790 And if you are using a Mac mini, 00:34:21.235 --> 00:34:27.875 I can't even imagine the nightmare of having to go in person and, you know, debug something that's, like, at a hardware level or 00:34:28.435 --> 00:34:32.035 something on the Mac mini breaks or an update or or what have you. 00:34:32.355 --> 00:34:35.395 Orgo gives you cloud computers to be able to manage these agents. 00:34:36.140 --> 00:34:36.780 And 00:34:37.100 --> 00:34:46.620 with that, you can do so many more amazing things, both from a perspective of just scaling your business, being able to access all these agents on one platform 00:34:46.780 --> 00:34:49.820 via one connector and have your agent connect to all of them. 00:34:51.375 --> 00:34:54.895 That's really, like, the biggest thing. It's just from a fulfillment perspective, 00:34:56.415 --> 00:35:00.095 it is just, the easiest way. And then also just a security perspective. 00:35:00.335 --> 00:35:02.335 These are isolated cloud computers, 00:35:02.940 --> 00:35:06.540 and you can delete them. And under a second, you can create a new one. 00:35:06.940 --> 00:35:13.740 And with that, there's a lot more sandbox environments that you could just protect you and your customers from, 00:35:14.540 --> 00:35:17.020 like, a blast radius that might otherwise be 00:35:17.925 --> 00:35:20.485 more dangerous on a personal Mac Mini. 00:35:20.645 --> 00:35:20.885 So 00:35:21.445 --> 00:35:24.245 And so say I have a 100 customers. 00:35:24.645 --> 00:35:25.845 Am I creating 00:35:26.405 --> 00:35:30.405 like, how am I structuring that? Am I creating, like, separate, like, projects 00:35:30.565 --> 00:35:35.170 with these computers in it? Like, what is from a best practices perspective 00:35:35.490 --> 00:35:37.010 in terms of security 00:35:37.010 --> 00:35:37.970 and just, 00:35:38.210 --> 00:35:39.810 you know, good UX, 00:35:39.890 --> 00:35:48.785 how should people think about setting that up? Yeah. So in this case, it would be exactly like you said. Like, I if you were if you were a customer, 00:35:49.105 --> 00:35:49.745 I 00:35:49.985 --> 00:35:53.425 would just make a workspace for your business, and I would say, 00:35:54.145 --> 00:35:55.425 you know, this is 00:35:55.745 --> 00:35:58.305 let's do, like, idea browser. Right? 00:35:58.625 --> 00:35:59.265 And 00:35:59.680 --> 00:36:01.600 we would create this workspace, 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:05.120 and each each of your agents would live in this workspace. 00:36:05.200 --> 00:36:08.320 And then I'd have other workspaces for other customers, 00:36:08.720 --> 00:36:12.000 and I'd be able to manage all of that, you know, on on Orgo. 00:36:14.305 --> 00:36:15.905 Yeah. One platform. 00:36:17.425 --> 00:36:22.225 Cool. Yeah. I think what's also cool about this, just just how visual it is, like, 00:36:22.785 --> 00:36:26.385 showing this to a customer and being like, I know you think, 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:31.800 you know, it's not secure. You might think it's not secure or you might think, you know, but this is, 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:37.160 you know, a visual sandbox environment. Right? Like, it just it feels like the cell 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:38.440 like, you just like 00:36:38.680 --> 00:36:44.375 you know, you talked about Loom before, but, like, showing looms of this, I think it's just gonna light people up. 00:36:44.935 --> 00:36:47.655 Yeah. Exact and also, like, you can also 00:36:48.615 --> 00:36:58.600 out of the box on Orgo, like, we have this playground mode here. So, like Mhmm. This is our this is just all of the latest models from, you know, Anthropic and and Kimmy and and ChatGPT. 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:09.080 And so as far as a demo, when you tell a customer, like, oh, yeah. Like, we can we can have an agent, like, operate a computer and and do do things for you, and, essentially, you're describing 00:37:09.255 --> 00:37:11.735 Hermes agent or you're describing OpenClaw, 00:37:11.815 --> 00:37:19.495 even then, they they might have a hard time, like, imagining, like, what what what does that look like? What does that feel like? And so when you just give it a computer, 00:37:19.815 --> 00:37:26.130 you're able to just give it life, and you could tell them. Like, you can say, like, hey. Look up what is Idea Browser 00:37:26.850 --> 00:37:29.090 and search it on Google. 00:37:29.810 --> 00:37:31.090 And this 00:37:31.090 --> 00:37:33.010 actually becomes, like, a really good demo. 00:37:33.250 --> 00:37:33.810 Like, 00:37:34.370 --> 00:37:40.225 for for you and your customer, like, to be able to show, look. Oh, the agent is controlling a computer, 00:37:41.185 --> 00:37:44.065 and it's doing research, and it's doing real work. 00:37:44.545 --> 00:37:48.225 And you can just quickly show a demo in Orgo. It's, like, super cool. 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:50.800 This is cool. 00:37:51.040 --> 00:37:55.760 Yeah. Like, even me as, like, a cofounder of Idea Browser, I'm, like, looking at this, and I'm like, yes. 00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:57.120 Yeah. 00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:57.840 Yeah. 00:37:58.160 --> 00:38:08.695 It's awesome. And and we have some I'm I'm I'm making Jordan some agents. I don't know if he told you. I'm I'm making him some idea browser agents, and he's, uh, he's using them. He's stress testing them. 00:38:09.095 --> 00:38:09.655 Um, 00:38:10.215 --> 00:38:13.975 but everyone needs agents. So it's, um, 00:38:14.295 --> 00:38:19.255 yeah, it's really cool. And then as far as the telegram set up here, like, you can see 00:38:19.780 --> 00:38:26.900 my agent is literally using Orgo MCP to get this Greg's computer set up right now, and it's installing Hermes agent. 00:38:28.020 --> 00:38:37.605 Part of this yeah. These some of these things take time. It's running a long process. It might take five, ten minutes, so not to bore you by sharing that. But 00:38:38.085 --> 00:38:42.165 the concept of use agents to set up other agents, it's very real. 00:38:42.885 --> 00:38:44.005 And I can also 00:38:44.325 --> 00:38:45.445 dive into 00:38:45.605 --> 00:38:50.800 practices around that and how to make sure that your agent knows how to set up other agents. 00:38:52.640 --> 00:38:53.280 Yeah. 00:38:53.520 --> 00:38:56.640 Does that sound good? Let's do that. That sounds great. 00:38:57.120 --> 00:38:57.760 So 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:04.845 to have your agent have context of how to set up other agents, it actually needs I wish I would have added them here. 00:39:05.965 --> 00:39:09.405 A few MCPs go really far away. One of them is 00:39:09.565 --> 00:39:10.845 the Perplexity 00:39:10.845 --> 00:39:11.885 MCP. 00:39:13.245 --> 00:39:14.525 With Perplexity, 00:39:14.525 --> 00:39:17.725 you can give your Claude code or codex 00:39:18.670 --> 00:39:21.870 real real up to date knowledge on things like Hermes. 00:39:21.950 --> 00:39:25.150 And so the key here is, like, you always just wanna have 00:39:25.710 --> 00:39:28.270 any sort of setup process, initialization 00:39:28.270 --> 00:39:28.990 process 00:39:29.070 --> 00:39:30.830 grounded in real context 00:39:31.135 --> 00:39:37.935 of what is the docs for setting up Hermes agents today and what how do I connect my Hermes agent to iMessage? 00:39:38.015 --> 00:39:39.855 If you have something like Perplexity, 00:39:39.935 --> 00:39:44.575 you give your agent the ability to see how to do that and be able to set it up perfectly. 00:39:46.090 --> 00:39:47.770 Exa AI is another 00:39:48.250 --> 00:39:51.610 great MCP tool for, like, real time web search. 00:39:52.010 --> 00:39:54.650 Another big one actually is Context seven. 00:39:55.130 --> 00:39:56.570 This one is 00:39:56.650 --> 00:40:02.335 awesome for getting up to date docs from, like, GitHub from, like, Hermes agents GitHub 00:40:02.335 --> 00:40:04.255 so they they can see specifically 00:40:04.335 --> 00:40:06.095 the docs of how to get set up. 00:40:06.495 --> 00:40:12.175 You just need some sort of context layer to let to loop in the best practices and up to date docs 00:40:12.655 --> 00:40:18.270 for setting up these agents. And it kind of, like, one final recommendation would be the XMCP. 00:40:18.270 --> 00:40:21.310 So Twitter released their own MCP, 00:40:21.550 --> 00:40:27.950 and I find so many amazing setups on Twitter for Open Call and Hermes agents that there's many times I just wanna use 00:40:28.535 --> 00:40:32.375 that context for setting up an agent for a given task. 00:40:32.535 --> 00:40:36.935 And you could actually use this, give this to your Cloud Code or give this to your codex 00:40:37.015 --> 00:40:38.135 and have it 00:40:39.015 --> 00:40:41.255 use this context to help help you set things up. 00:40:42.340 --> 00:40:44.340 Or you could use all of them too. So 00:40:45.060 --> 00:40:47.460 I mean, is there any downside to using all of them? 00:40:48.980 --> 00:40:50.820 No. I I use all of them. 00:40:51.460 --> 00:40:54.740 And so, like, maybe even in here when you look at my telegram, 00:40:55.485 --> 00:41:00.685 you might notice oh, I guess it's it's I didn't ask it to to pull in up to date context. 00:41:00.765 --> 00:41:06.525 Mine has skills already built in place to be able to, like, set these things up just because I do it so much. But 00:41:07.180 --> 00:41:10.220 in general, like, the more the merrier, like, context 00:41:10.620 --> 00:41:12.140 is key. And 00:41:13.260 --> 00:41:20.620 I like to, like, have sub agents spawn. I'll tell Codex, like, hey or Cloud Code, hey. Spawn five sub agents. 00:41:21.185 --> 00:41:25.985 One sub agent for Perplexity, one for XO, one for Context seven, one for Fire Crawl, 00:41:26.145 --> 00:41:27.025 one for 00:41:28.065 --> 00:41:29.185 XMCP. 00:41:29.585 --> 00:41:31.985 Because I like to pull from different resources, 00:41:31.985 --> 00:41:34.225 and then those all come back to the main agent, 00:41:34.545 --> 00:41:36.385 and we get the best practices. 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.600 So that's how I do it. 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:41.080 Cool. 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:44.360 Let's see. Okay. So this here 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.360 is the 00:41:47.080 --> 00:41:51.560 I should have ran this in the terminal below, but I'll go ahead. I'll I'll just run it in this terminal. 00:41:52.525 --> 00:41:55.005 And what we're gonna do here is 00:41:55.405 --> 00:41:57.565 do that, run Claude. 00:41:58.045 --> 00:42:00.605 We could just like spin up multiple terminals. 00:42:01.965 --> 00:42:02.605 Yeah. 00:42:03.885 --> 00:42:04.845 You can 00:42:05.005 --> 00:42:05.885 oh, wait. Let me see. 00:42:07.370 --> 00:42:09.290 Okay. I think I just copy this here. 00:42:09.610 --> 00:42:10.170 So 00:42:10.890 --> 00:42:11.610 okay. 00:42:13.210 --> 00:42:14.650 Oh, command not found. 00:42:15.610 --> 00:42:16.010 Okay. 00:42:16.570 --> 00:42:18.650 I'll I'll debug this later. 00:42:19.690 --> 00:42:21.130 This is also why 00:42:21.335 --> 00:42:26.615 this is mainly why I use the Orgo MCP. I'm just like, I let my agent do all the work. 00:42:27.335 --> 00:42:30.455 Actually, you could also come here into the playground and say, 00:42:30.775 --> 00:42:33.495 install Cloud Code into this computer 00:42:34.215 --> 00:42:36.775 and just have our agent do it because I I don't 00:42:37.230 --> 00:42:42.190 I don't wanna debug what's going on in the terminal right now. So then just have this agent do it 00:42:42.750 --> 00:42:44.110 and do it that way. 00:42:44.430 --> 00:42:45.070 But, 00:42:45.310 --> 00:42:47.470 yeah, once you have it set up from here, like, 00:42:47.790 --> 00:42:49.630 I can now ask my 00:42:49.950 --> 00:42:50.830 Telegram agent. 00:42:52.215 --> 00:42:54.215 So I'll I'll stop this here. 00:42:54.935 --> 00:43:03.975 You could just imagine, you know, when that's done, your agent's set up, and I'll start a new chat. And I'll ask, like, how many Orgo VMs 00:43:04.310 --> 00:43:06.790 do I have in my workspaces? 00:43:08.230 --> 00:43:10.150 And my OrgoClaw 00:43:11.430 --> 00:43:12.790 is able to 00:43:13.270 --> 00:43:14.070 actually 00:43:14.230 --> 00:43:16.470 manage all of my customers' 00:43:16.470 --> 00:43:17.030 agents 00:43:17.645 --> 00:43:22.925 from, you know, just this one agent, and it can upgrade, fix things on the fly, 00:43:23.245 --> 00:43:23.885 you know, 00:43:24.525 --> 00:43:25.245 and 00:43:26.045 --> 00:43:27.325 all from one spot 00:43:27.565 --> 00:43:28.765 anywhere I'm at. 00:43:29.165 --> 00:43:31.725 If I if I get a email from a customer that 00:43:32.380 --> 00:43:33.580 something broke, 00:43:34.300 --> 00:43:35.740 we can just send off an agent 00:43:36.620 --> 00:43:39.580 send off a message to OrgoClaw and have it go fix it. 00:43:42.460 --> 00:43:46.780 Boom. You can see here, 27 Orgo VMs across your workspaces, all 27 shows running. 00:43:47.325 --> 00:43:48.125 And 00:43:49.725 --> 00:43:52.445 then it dives in onto all the different customers 00:43:52.525 --> 00:43:53.885 and all their agents. 00:43:55.485 --> 00:43:56.125 So 00:43:56.365 --> 00:44:01.325 last point that I wanna make around getting these things set up is the 00:44:02.610 --> 00:44:03.570 watch docs. 00:44:03.810 --> 00:44:04.370 So 00:44:04.610 --> 00:44:05.730 the gateways 00:44:05.970 --> 00:44:09.810 are what make these agents connect to a platform like Telegram 00:44:09.890 --> 00:44:11.970 or a platform like 00:44:12.450 --> 00:44:13.250 WhatsApp. 00:44:13.490 --> 00:44:16.290 And sometimes these gateways crash. OpenClaw 00:44:16.835 --> 00:44:20.515 has a lot of gateway issues in my experience. Hermes is a lot better. 00:44:21.555 --> 00:44:26.515 And so a key here is you want to make sure that you set up a 00:44:27.075 --> 00:44:30.675 watchdog. You could literally just tell your agent, set up a watchdog for 00:44:30.980 --> 00:44:35.380 whenever a gateway crashes that it auto restores it. Um, 00:44:35.780 --> 00:44:40.260 that's super important just from, you know, reliability perspective. 00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:49.835 A second thing is you wanna make sure that you have some layer of observability or alerts. So I have agents email me. 00:44:50.315 --> 00:44:51.915 If I set up your agent, 00:44:52.075 --> 00:44:53.275 your Mia agent, 00:44:53.755 --> 00:44:55.835 and Mia has an email, 00:44:56.395 --> 00:44:57.275 Mia's 00:44:57.435 --> 00:44:59.675 Mia emails me from her email 00:44:59.835 --> 00:45:00.635 when 00:45:01.100 --> 00:45:06.060 her cron job breaks or her skill failed or something happened, 00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:11.340 and I'm alerted about it. And I can go in and then debug it and fix it, 00:45:12.140 --> 00:45:17.115 which is super valuable because once again, for your customer, you don't want them to have to worry about, like, 00:45:17.915 --> 00:45:19.915 doing all this themselves. So 00:45:21.115 --> 00:45:23.195 make it as simple and easy as possible, 00:45:23.595 --> 00:45:25.195 handle everything tip to tail, 00:45:25.675 --> 00:45:25.995 and, 00:45:27.210 --> 00:45:27.930 yeah, I think 00:45:28.650 --> 00:45:31.370 I guess, like, the big takeaway here is 00:45:31.930 --> 00:45:35.050 it is hard to set up Cloud Code even. Like, 00:45:35.290 --> 00:45:49.245 people are like, Cloud Code is is gonna kill OpenClaw. Cloud Code is gonna kill Hermes agent. And in a general sense, it's getting better at doing a lot of these general things. But to be able to go in and create a specific agent for a specific industry and person 00:45:49.565 --> 00:45:51.645 and have it tailored to their workflow, 00:45:51.965 --> 00:45:52.685 it's like 00:45:53.070 --> 00:45:59.630 you're underestimating how much value that is, and you can really create a lucrative business by yourself. 00:46:00.270 --> 00:46:02.990 You and your agent building other agents for other businesses. 00:46:04.670 --> 00:46:07.390 Yeah. And I think it's an amazing time to be a solopreneur 00:46:07.390 --> 00:46:07.710 for this. 00:46:09.525 --> 00:46:11.845 You can and you will. So 00:46:12.165 --> 00:46:13.525 Nick, thank you for 00:46:14.165 --> 00:46:17.445 sharing the playbook for how to build a one person 00:46:18.645 --> 00:46:20.565 agent led business, 00:46:21.445 --> 00:46:24.565 sharing how to actually do it 00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:25.260 in such a clear way. 00:46:25.900 --> 00:46:28.460 I love chatting with you because you're 00:46:29.020 --> 00:46:31.900 you give the sauce, but you also explain it super clearly. 00:46:32.300 --> 00:46:36.060 Nick is a criminally under followed account on on social media. 00:46:37.345 --> 00:46:44.225 You know, he's getting some some followers, I think he can be I think he needs to be bigger, so I'll include links for where to find Nick 00:46:45.745 --> 00:46:47.745 in the show notes, in the description. 00:46:47.825 --> 00:46:48.385 And 00:46:48.865 --> 00:46:51.985 Nick, I'll see you in a few weeks in San Francisco, and let's have a 00:46:52.600 --> 00:46:56.760 let's have some coffee and have a good time. Thank you, Greg. Always a pleasure. 00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:58.440 Thank you so much, and 00:46:59.240 --> 00:47:04.280 I I hope to yeah. We're gonna see you soon. We're gonna get some coffee. We're gonna we're gonna do some sipping time. 00:47:05.685 --> 00:47:14.005 We're gonna do some IRL sipping time, which is my favorite. It's there's there's nothing like it, you know? Like, I actually have been trying to 00:47:14.485 --> 00:47:20.325 cut down on my, like, Zoom meetings and stuff like that. It's just there's not there it is. There's nothing like 00:47:20.780 --> 00:47:23.180 being in person, sharing ideas, 00:47:23.740 --> 00:47:24.620 sipping, 00:47:25.180 --> 00:47:25.740 and 00:47:27.100 --> 00:47:29.020 and figuring out what 00:47:29.660 --> 00:47:37.205 what we can be building in in in a time like this because there's so much, and sometimes the hardest part is figuring out the right idea, 00:47:37.525 --> 00:47:39.525 the right time, the right playbook, 00:47:39.685 --> 00:47:41.685 the right steps, the right order. 00:47:42.165 --> 00:47:53.866 And this has been helpful, Nick, and and definitely got my great creative juices flowing, so I'm sure others are very thankful as well. So thank you, Nick, and I will see you next time. Thank you, Greg. Talk soon.