Thank you for making the time to do this. Dude, thank you for making the time. No. Thank you. No. You did it. I'm here because of this guy. It's been the last interview we did was nine years ago. Is that right? For what? What did we do? Planes. That's right. Was it fire and rescue, or is it the first time? First one. Santa Monica Airport. Do you remember that junket? Yeah. I think it was there was there was planes
in the in the area. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember I wore, like, a tan or a banana colored suit. Yes. Right? Did you recently watch this clip or something? No. I just I have a weird thing about, like, what I was wearing at at certain points. You told me this great story. And it's always so difficult when you do junket interviews because they're so quick. Right? Right. Three, four minutes. You told me this great story about Ernest Glenn.
Wow. Ernest Glenn. Yeah. That's the first
person that didn't show up for a comedy gig,
an open mic as we call them. And I I filled in without even knowing I was gonna go on stage for the very first time. That was the guy's name that didn't show up. Right. When the host said, where's Ernest Glenn?
I said, that's me. And then I ended up doing my first comedy show ever Wow. As Ernest Glenn. There was some weird background are you, Ernest Glenn? I never found that guy, man. Really? What do you think Ernest Glenn was a real name? Oh, yeah. I definitely feel like they were going to the list of people that signed up for the potluck or whatever. And when he didn't show or maybe he I don't know. Maybe he left or whatever it was, but I was from time to time, I'll just Facebook and be like, where is Ernest Glenn? I wanna reach out and say thank you for starting
my career by not showing up. There was this weird backwards tie in to the movie,
to Plains, because Dusty
got his way into the
tournament
by faking a name. And I didn't even know this Ernest Glenn thing. I didn't know any of this stuff. I don't remember any of that. Really? Yeah. Okay. Because I was like, was there It mirrored my comedy career. By accident. And then Dusty Croppapper,
Dane Cook, the DC.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. There was a lot of, like, little hidden Easter eggs that I felt like were in there kind of speaking to my comedy career. But Ernest Glenn. Wow.
I Wow. Thirty one years later doing stand up comedy. And when I hear that name, it probably impacts me more than any other name that you could say because it made my life what it is Wow. Completely
because one person decided not to show up for a show. Were you terrified when you got on stage the first time?
I what I didn't even have time. I was honestly, it all happened so fast. I think if I knew what was going on that night, I'd be sitting there like, you know, oh my goodness. Wait. Am I gonna bomb? It happened so fast that then I was up there, and then I'm just doing some
jokes or routines that I thought someday when I sign up, I'll do the Then I'm just going into it. But the one thing I remember about that first set first of all, I did get a few laughs in a in a room full of 30 or 40 people. I got a few laughs, but what I remember
is
feeling like
right away knowing I'm a pressure player.
When it was really, like, put on me, like, you have to make this work right now Yeah. I identified almost immediately. Maybe all the jokes weren't great. Maybe I was lackluster in this area or that, but I was prepared to, like,
meet that moment. And so moving forward, was like, okay. I'll be okay once I get up there even though maybe offstage I was a little ragtag. And then were you like, I gotta do this immediately again? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I didn't do it immediately, it was almost like, my god. Is this gonna like
that fear of can I be funnier? Do I have you know, can I expand upon that?
Especially when you're a young comic, you're kind of in your head ruminating about all that stuff. So I think I got on stage about six days later at a place
called the ninety nines, which was a bar that had another, like, open mic situation where you could sign up and get in front of, like, all the people were just watching whatever the local sports
was, and you get up on stage and try to pull their attention towards you. And I think I got a few people to take their eyes off the game. But, no, after Ernest the Ernest Glenn moment, it was
I I knew this was my life. I just find it so difficult watching your comedy and speaking with you that you You find it difficult watching my comedy. I love
that's a segue that I can get into. I find it very difficult watching your comedy. I just I can't digest it.
No. Where are you going It's with
hard to believe
that you were an anxious person growing up. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. I was an introvert.
I was like one of those people that
you know, in school the thought of
having to
forget about getting in front of the class, the thought of even if the teacher asks me something,
I was mortified at the thought of it. When it did happen, I was even more like just discombobulated
at that moment, but I would be sitting there tapping my toe going, please don't call me. Like, or in sports, please don't pass the ball to me. I'd never wanted any participation because I was so scared that I would not
come through.
How does that turn into being
a prolific stand up comedian? You know how many people over the years that I went to school with were like, where did that like, how? You know? Because they knew that about me, that I was just really trepidatious and had a lot of social anxiety, right? But
that first set,
and I told my mom later that night, because I told her what happened, she said, well, how did you do? And I said, I think I I
exceeded my expectations.
I mean, some
of the jokes, even if they
missed,
it wasn't cringey,
and I kind of
commented on it. I almost had, like, a little commentary to say, like, you know what? That joke's not ready for public consumption. Let's move on. Let's pretend that Yeah. And I was covering and improving,
so
it was almost like
a Clark Kent Superman kind of moment, except I wasn't pretending to be Clark Kent. I was really Clark Kent.
But on the stage, man, it it became it felt like a little bit of a superpower. Like, Sasha or Sasha
what is Sasha Fierce, Beyonce. Right? A little bit. I just needed the wind machine, and and I had the mullet, so that probably would have worked. But it it it was
I identified immediately that I I had a place in the world. If I wanted to just cultivate it Yeah. Maybe it would, you know, pay the rent. So it was very performative?
It it was yeah. I mean, in the first year, it was everything
that stand up comedy
should and shouldn't be. Every bit of it that was, like, could be exceptional
and forward moving and feeling evolution, and then all the stuff that you hear about hell gigs
and nightmare situations
and heckler battles and not getting paid and
failing miserably.
But you can't stop doing it because you're in a constant state of like, why did that work? Why didn't I work there? Why did that crowd not like me? What and you start figuring, like, I need to try pushing buttons tonight. I have to I remember when I went to New York City being, like, I'm gonna see how far I can let the ship leave the shore. How much can I turn them off on purpose to see when can I, you know, bring them back to me? So you need years and years and years of that try and fail. Yeah. And you need them equally. You need very, very bad moments
coupled with
highlight moments.
When do you feel like you turned the corner and you were like, I am now a comedian? When
did I yeah. Because I was really embarrassed to say it for a long time. I actually was. It's a good question because
I didn't I couldn't say to you, I I do stand up comedy. I think I was a little ashamed of it. I I I just didn't I was I was very beta. What was the job up till then?
Pizza. I worked at a pizza place.
So slinging pies. I was a dietary aid at a nursing home. I worked at a video store, you know, renting
movies.
I I sold the Boston Globe out of a truck at a at a Walgreens.
I mean, I did anything I could to continue the stand up comedy career and to avoid any legitimate nine to five. Because I knew if I went into a plan B, that like most people, you get kinda
stuck. Yeah. Sort of in that. So I did a lot of miscellaneous
part time stuff, and then doing gigs where, you know, if you could make 20 or 30 or $40 and just, you know, put it in the till and go, okay, I got two more weeks of this I could probably do, and then I gotta figure out how to pick up some hours at like the pizza place. So but eventually, were like, okay. I'm gonna lean into this.
Yeah. I think that it was like the first two years, it was like this
hobby that I had a a real affinity for
and made me feel it made me feel like
like I had purpose. It really did. It made me feel like
anything was better than how I felt kind of when I woke up and thought about facing
the world.
Was almost like, this place, I have the ability to
I don't want to make it like model in and say, I felt special. I really felt like, all right, this is a little thing I can contribute. This works sometimes.
And then after about three or four years, I was in a comedy group, we were doing sketch and improv, and
improv games, and I played guitar. We did anything we could on stage, make up songs, and just
anything and everything to entertain people. And after about three or four years doing that,
I quit all my jobs, and then I was a full time comedian, and that's when I had to finally start letting people know, yeah, this is what I do. I'm a comic. Oh, really? Be funny. And then it was just mortifying to
It's so funny. Like, comedians and magicians fall into that same category where it's like you tell them that you do that for a living and they're like, prove it to me now. Go. Exactly. Exactly. It's somebody once said it's like, you know, it's not like you meet a plumber and go, lay down some PVC piping. Let's see.
Grab some copper tubing and and make a, you know, make a kitchen sink work. But Every magician I've ever known does have a deck of cards with them. Is that true? Yes. To redo some sleight of hand. Because they're like, alright. Here you go.
I'll show you something. I think I probably, some time into my career, always had, uh, you know, a CD or something. So if somebody was like, are you funny? I'd be like, here. Just take it. If you write me an email, I'll know that you like my stuff. Be nothing worse than people being like, well, be funny if you're a comedian. Oh, man. And and a lot worse. Sometimes people think because you're a comedian they can just have at you because it's also in some way it's it's strange. In Boston,
in that era, stand up comedy was
two things at once. It was the boom of the eighties was happening. The Robin Williams and the, you know, the success of Mork and Mindy. And if you were on the Tonight Show, it was almost like
Boston identified,
man, if you're if you're good at this job, like, this is something really exceptional. Yeah. But they also because it was Boston and it was, like,
it it was rough and tumbly in the area where I used to do stand up, if you didn't
come with something that was
exceptional in their eyes or met that expectation of the boom of the eighties,
then, oh, man, they would just they they would
they could really bring the hammer down on you. Looking back, best thing ever. Because it put you through boot camp in comedy. If you're good, they were like, you're good. And if you were half,
they would just You'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, just brutal, brutal, brutal after you got off stage. And so it kind of formed you to go In my comedy
graduating class, it was like me, Bill Burr Wow.
Patrice O'Neill, who sadly has passed away,
Gary Gullman, and then a bevy of other comics that, like, if I threw some other names at you. But that class, we came up like, if we don't stick together and really
hone our craft,
this city will be like,
you're not you're not representing this place very well. Joe Rogan in Boston at that time? He was a
graduating class ahead. Him and CK were, like, the two or three years right before us. So when we were coming in,
you had the legendary
locals that to this day are still, like, some of the best comics I've ever seen in my life. Then you had guys like
Maren,
CK,
Joe,
and a lot of others that were in that a couple years before us. So they were quickly, like, getting out of there. Right. But, yeah, I did I remember there was a place in Boston. It was called Dick Dougherty's
Shipwreck. It was a boat in the harbor, and I used to do shows there with Rogan all the time. We were always performing on this docked boat
to people.
There were some strange gigs back then, but, no, seeing those guys and
how they then took their careers in some
new directions from the former
stars of comedy was it was good for us to be able to see that, like, oh, this is a career, man. Did you ever have the authentic Boston accent?
My dad well, when I listen back on Harmful of Swallowed or the first stuff, I can hear it. But my dad did broadcasting,
and he was big into enunciating.
And so there were times in my life when I'd slip into it, and, like, when it gets late, I get tired. I'm like, dude, I'm
I'm tired, kid. But my dad was always about, like, really articulating to tell a story because he did color commentary and sports stuff. So I had it, but I also didn't have it heavily because he kinda kept me, like, focused on you know, don't sound so regional.
You know? Appeal to a broader audience, and don't just go like, oh, yeah. Everybody over at the harbor is down at he's like, make sure that you, you know, build up that
that
modulation and and use your voice to be able to speak to several people and not just a region. That was my exact move when I moved from Canada to The US. Is that right? I was like, I don't wanna sound I don't want someone to see me on TV and go, oh, that guy's clearly from Canada. Right. A little having a little bit of that inflection,
it's great. It makes you identifiable. But I guess if it's
too heavily a region, then it feels like you should only be in that. Right. Particular You don't hear a lot of here
in The States, and they'd like, ah, you're not one of us. Yeah. What are you doing here? People often will hear the the Canadian accent from me because my dad's side came down for PEI.
No. Oh, wow. We're all we're all Prince Edward Island,
O'Hagans
that came down and then couldn't get hired in Boston as O'Hagans.
So they switched it to Cook to try to You could have, like, a bit of, like, a
Wisconsin
accent, perhaps. I don't know. It feels like a I don't know. Sometimes I I'm always
asked about, like, now where are you from? People that don't know I'm from Boston, and it's kinda interesting sometimes where people think that I'm from. You know? Yeah. Maybe it's just changing a little bit of the accent in Boston or tempering
it started to make people go like, I hear something in there, but I don't know exactly Yeah. You what it talk about the boom of comedy in the '80s, but you really brought comedy back in the February.
Like, you made it, like,
cool again.
Well, it was like I was coming up with a generation of the next generation of comedy fans. And I could see that, like, oh, this is like an Internet generation.
This isn't
this isn't
stand up at, like, just an underground spot with a brick wall. This is
the the not only the Internet, but really, like, Comedy Central at its peak in in knowing, like,
is stand up comedy is finding
its way
to be directly,
not just a comic in a comedic role on a sitcom, just
stand up public consumption of stand up comedy sets, right, from Comedy Central. So I looked at it like I was meeting college kids coming out of Boston,
and when I would talk to them at, like, a meet and greet after, they would often say, this is my first comedy show. And the more I heard that, I was like, I'm the first comic they're seeing. So
and I'd say, you've never seen so and so live, or they were already stars or they were already, you know, further along. So I was like, okay. I'm just gonna come up with this generation of comedy fans and see if I can,
you know, be like their leader. And, I mean, in in it I I don't know if it was, like, something you were planning on doing. I don't know if it was
a it just it worked. It worked. Well, it wasn't like I was at first, wasn't planning on, like, okay. Can I, like, lead the charge more than I was, like, I'm just gonna my dad once said,
you you should do a lot of colleges because the things that you discover in your college years, you'll take with you for the rest of your life? That's good advice. Spoke to me, and he's like, and that means there'll always be somebody who probably wants to you
remind them of that era, and they'll always wanna support you. So I was like, okay, at least you have the chance to have somewhat of a career to be able to do this long term, even though it might not be the full time gig since I love it. Yeah. But once I saw those numbers really expanding, and it wasn't just New England anymore,
and it was people saying, hey, will you will you come to Vancouver?
Will you come to
Tempe, Arizona, and places that I never even, you know, at that time heard of, I was like, this is a this is happening. I I I was like, I got it. I I know what is this is this is getting bigger than me, but I'm
but I'm fulfilling it because I'm putting out more content, and I'm doing meet and greets anywhere I go, and I'm really, like,
ingratiating myself with a fan a new, you know, comedy
fan that could be a fan for life. Was it still being met with the criticism from people that were like, it's just the Internet. Like, who needs that? Well, at first, yeah, there was a small period of time where people would say and it was so funny. I used to really think this was like they'd say,
oh, he clicked a couple of buttons and filled up Madison Square Garden.
Like, people really thought, oh, he he did the the Myspace thing, and he just clicked a button, and it was like, you know, listen. It it doesn't matter how
much you bang the drum and get all the people in the circle to watch you. If you don't deliver on something,
they will leave faster than they
formed. Sure. So to me, it was like the clicking of the button was well, you didn't see the fourteen years prior to this that I was,
you know, at the at the
gig meeting meeting everybody longer than the show. Literally hanging out three hours after an hour and a half show to make sure everybody got a chance to get to know me and really build that army of fans. That's always such an interesting thing when it's the fourteen year overnight success.
Right? I know. It's like
and and people will say,
did it how did it feel when it all just kinda happened? I'm like, it really never felt like that. It it it was on honestly, like, I'm at a college. There's 200 people. Wow. 200 people care about seeing me.
Syracuse the next year. Hey. There's 420 people. And then, oh, wow. Now it's a thou you know, it's like, saw that year because I was playing those same schools. That was, like, part of my route year after year. So when I finally went to Penn State, I remember Penn State thought it was gonna be 5,500 people.
And
I had a couple things that were in the zeitgeist and a Comedy Central thing, and my first album was kinda still underground and people passing around, burning it or whatever. And then I remember Penn State called and said, hey, can we move this show to the field house?
Because more than 5,500 people are
clamoring to get in. And I was like, how many people? And they were like, it's about 8,500.
And when we got to Penn State,
it was 12,500
people had showed up. And that night,
I was like,
I'm taking this anywhere.
I'm gonna take this to the biggest
audiences that I am willing to take it to. Was that the biggest crowd you'd played at that time? At that time. 5,000, 6,000 before. Yeah. And then it just boom. It just was like,
what's the local arena? Forget the college. What's the fifteen, twenty thousand seat arena? And then it was that for about three or four. I didn't even do theaters. I skipped theaters.
Yeah. Because for so long, it was Which I missed. The comedian in front of the brick wall. Right. Or in the cafeteria doing the college gig or maybe a theater at the Yeah. Yeah. But it went from
years and years of great clubs, you know, the comedy sellers and, of course, the laugh factories and, you know, Knicks Comedy Stop in Boston. It was, like, club, club, club, and then all these college audiences. And I was looking at theaters. I'm like, okay. I wanna play the Beacon. I wanna play the Fox Theater. I had all these ideas. You had the celebrity theater in Arizona,
and then it just jumped. It went to
only arenas for, I didn't even know, like a four or five year run before I came back. Was like, I'd I'd like to do these theaters. What do you think it was? Because so many comedians wish to play one arena show in their entire career.
I think it was because of my energy,
my
the access to me that I think before that was well, it was not in vogue
to know your audience. It was actually kind of a no no. I got a lot of shit early on because
I treated it like a business.
I treated it like everybody does today, podcasting and you know, you have to be entrepreneurial.
It used to be a business of twenty three hours of the day nobody knows you. You're skulking around, you're a dark figure, you're somewhere in a corner. Then you come to life, you're only the funny person. And I was like, what? No, gonna I don't subscribe to that. I already knew I liked watching comedians on maybe on a Richard Pryor would do a talk show where he'd be very candid.
Or a comic that I loved, like Robin Williams would do a role that had a lot of heart. And I was like, why can't people get to know that side of me and know, oh, he's funny when he's on stage. I
think it was
just a confluence of all those things of the energy, of course, routine that I worked on for so many years.
They were really rooting for me because they knew me. They knew me as a pal online.
And people, I'm telling you, man, they were writing, I knew we'd make it. We. I knew we would get you there. I knew we'd
SNL.
I knew that we would do that. It was always I used it. I always said we. I never said I wanna do that. I always talked to my audience and we're gonna do this together. Why don't we try to? I still, to this day, is that's how I feel. That's how I wanna communicate it. I'm I'm not there unless it's a we situation.
Right? Yeah. But I
have to give everything I have and do something that I think has been in the whole you know, in the never been done before holy shit business in order for the fans to go. That this is where we need to elevate you. Do you remember who was in your Myspace top eight?
I had a lot of people. I would shuffle it out. You know? What an honor that would be. Cute girls at the time that I was like, oh, I gotta put her in there. I'd like to meet this girl at some point. How quickly did Tom get out of the Myspace topic? Tom was in there for a bit because he was a buddy.
But then real? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I know Tom.
Tom was a a friend, and and, of course, it was like then it became almost like
like,
you know, what would somebody send a sufi picture?
Or maybe they were the one to get
me in their town, and I'd say, oh, you brought me to this place I've never been before. I'm gonna put you in my top eight for the entire honor that would be. It was cool, man. It was yeah. I really loved that whole experience. That that era of the Internet was
a lot of fun. There's a whole generation that won't even know the honor that it was to be in someone's Myspace top eight. Yeah. It because it wasn't at all corporate. That was a website that didn't feel even though, you know, there was money behind it, it was just a whole different
strategy
and just the whole rigmarole had nothing to didn't feel like it felt like the Wild West. It didn't feel like there was anything to do with, like,
algorithms and who gets what or, you know,
a currency stream. And it it really was just like a hang. You know? So if you were on the cutting edge then
of Myspace,
what do you see with, like, TikTok right now? Because I feel like that's kind of maybe twenty years later what that was doing then. Yeah. It's like
there's still
an ability
to craft something
and create something that's wholly original.
I mean, I know TikTok's a lot of things. There's a lot of different kinds of content.
You put a lot of content out on TikTok. I I I mean, I love it. I I don't think I've engaged with anything outside of maybe for a little while I was doing things like Clubhouse.
You know, I love doing podcast stuff, but TikTok was the first one in a long time
that
and I know them behind the scenes. And when they approached me and I was like, this is kinda how I would like to use this as a hub for the next, you know, era of my my comedy.
They were
it it felt like that Myspace of it all, where it was kinda like, what can we do to help you cultivate the audience that you want in here? So I like those that group of people's great, and I think that it's
it's incumbent upon the creator
to come up with something that, of course, is gonna get eyes on it. But even more importantly is
you have to have a long
form game plan to where you wanna take your audience, where you wanna take your career.
So I try to tell,
young,
especially comics, like, don't be in such a rush to feel like you gotta get that 5,000,000
views on so and so. Because trust me, when you get it, you gotta be ready.
And if you're not, and that next number slips down to nothing Yeah. It's gonna feel it's gonna feel like you're over, and you're not. It's just the way society
imbibes
on content.
But if you've got like your character,
your persona,
you've mapped out where you want to take your audience, you know how to communicate
that,
then you have a real chance at utilizing
those machines
to feed your machine. But if you don't have a machine of your own, that machine will use you,
and then you'll be sitting a year later going, man, that was like, why didn't that sustain?
And it's because
you didn't have a sustaining plan. What's the thing you're driving people toward? The special right now? The special. It's it's really for me And the next special after that is Yeah. I mean, it's it's really, you know, like, permission to speak freely. Of course. I wanted to create the most
incredibly beautiful comedy special with one of the most legendary directors who I've worked with twice before, Marty Culner. He directed Vicious Circle,
argue arguably one of the most beautiful comedy specials.
You know, he made that arena.
I mean, it was I I just remember looking at the footage saying, Marty, like,
you made me look like beyond what I even thought I was doing up here. And then we did isolated incident. When I called Marty on this, I I said I want to set the bar again. You know? A lot of people followed suit,
you know, after doing the arena show.
I I could watch a lot of people and go, this looks like what we did. This has the same kind of Yeah. And and yet before that, people were like, this isn't a comedy show. This feels like, you know, this isn't really but it is. You know, when you can be right in the middle and it's like four theaters are around you at any given point.
And so called Marty and said,
you know, I'm ready to to do something that I think is
a game changer.
And so pitched him on the idea, my house, Hollywood Hills, drones,
but really more than anything, the content.
Letting people in, not just in my home, you know, that's what it thematically was, but I'm letting people in closer to
my experiences.
Sometimes it's funny self deprecating.
Sometimes it's a little cocksure because I've done a lot of cool shit. And sometimes it's like, here's where I failed so badly
and had,
you know, traumatic capsizing experiences that I can now laugh at.
I said, so it's gonna be aesthetically beautiful, but it's gonna be introspective
and
unbelievably funny because I'm more present at 31 than I've ever been before. I love
film, and I love that you shot this at IMAX. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's insane. Yeah. We found IMAX
standard with quality cameras just because I knew I wanted to upscale it and
and show it on an IMAX screen. I was like, this feels so
cinematic. And so we have that. Like, that's like
Christopher Nolan really, like, changed the game. Like, when because IMAX for the longest time was, like, science documentaries. Right. Right. And then he was like, let's film the Dark Knight Right. Using IMAX cameras. Yeah. Him and James Cameron, obviously, like, you know, really avatar, you know, made made things
feel more immersive,
you know? And that's Do you think this is gonna be a new trend? Like, comedy specials shot on IMAX? If I could cross my fingers and make a wish, it's like, I hope that
after people see this at we're gonna do Man's Chinese Theater as the opening night,
I hope that some theater people see it and say, maybe we should do a run of this or
do the next one thinking of it more in this, you know, in this way. An event type of, you know, film situation. I don't know. I mean, I just know that I'm just happy we're showing it one time on a big screen in front of a great audience. And if you're gonna debut it in any theater in Los Angeles, like, that's the one That's it. That's where all the big movies That's right. Do. Yeah. It's still referred to as the Chinese theater. That's what people call it. The TCL Chinese theater. Formally Yeah. Man's, but we we know it now as the TCL
Chinese theater. And it's a beautiful
historic location. Did you call it above it all because your house is above everybody else?
It was it that was, you know, kinda like the second meaning, but really it was about, like,
you know, staying above negativity,
staying above
people to you know, people take your People will hijack your narrative in this business. Happens a lot. It happens every day. Something gets written about you, and the court of public opinion
says that's more interesting than the reality of it, and they go with it. And so there's me, and then there's a version of me that lives on the Internet that
is kind of fascinating to watch how that version of myself
gets piecemealed and put through the spanking machine, or even sometimes lauded for things that you're like, I don't know. That was just a cool thing I did. I didn't expect it would be so shimmery.
So above it all was really me being like, staying above maybe early in my career ego,
and things like hubris and
stuff that gets into you when you're a young person who has all this fame and success out of the the blue. And then also staying above a lot of negativity.
And sometimes when
people come to take your legs out from under you because everybody wants your spot at some point. So above it all really was that.
And, yes, of course, that beautiful view and being able to look out and, you know, stay inspired.
Why was there so much negativity that followed you around? Like, when you were at the peak of your popularity.
Yeah. I think it was a I think it was a few things. I know that it was, you know, there was a lot of envy.
There was a lot of people that felt like there was a certain pecking order, and there really isn't. You know? You just get picked at some point and thrown on the cover of Rolling Stone or whatever starts to take over.
Other
people look at that and they're frustrated.
And so sometimes people
well, actually, a lot of people have come to me years later and said, I'm one of those people that pig piled on you because I was frustrated. I was tired of going on a morning radio show, trying to get a few 100 people maybe to my gig, and the first thing they would say is, well, Dane Cook's doing this, why don't you do what he do he does? And and so I understood it as that, and then it was also
something I never understood because my dad was a
athlete.
And I thought that the arts were going to be like
athleticism or like being a sports figure, where it was like just stats based.
And
I quickly learned that being self made in a business that wants to write you up or write you down,
you take the power away from them, the industry.
And so at some point, the pitchforks are out because like, oh, you wrote yourself up, but now we get to
of undress you here. So it was that. And
I just think it was just like a
multitude of things that were
going to happen one way or the other, because that's kind of where a career takes you. You've got to be like the belle of the ball. And they've got to make you feel like you're more special than you are. And then they have to
have to almost like the American way, where it's like, now you have to have the fall,
and they have to dissect you.
And you have to talk about either your trauma or
what you're encumbered by. And then you get to get back up, and that's when everybody does the slow clap, and then you're kind of in for the rest.
That's really like the way that our narrative in this country likes to it's that John Travolta thing, right? Yeah. The biggest and the best, Saturday Night Fever in Greece. Then it's like making fun of him because he's on talking baby movies or whatever he had to do to take care of his livelihood or whatever he needed. And it was just like
disparaging and discouraging.
And I'm sure probably hurt a lot for him to be like, man, I was the biggest thing in this
And
then,
you know, a pulp fiction or something, and everybody goes, we knew you were the best.
And it's kind of like, I saw the writing on the wall with it, and after I had kind of like my major moment and then a
fall down moment, I was actually kind of Okay with it. I was like, oh, the pressure's off,
and now I can just roll
back into this with
passion and the fans that stuck by me that were meant to be there in the first place. There was a point when you were kind of like the
nickel back of comedy.
Like, where it was like, it was really cool to not like you. Right. But at the same time,
your numbers were speaking for themselves. Like, you were selling out arenas, but people were like, oh, yeah. But, like, I I don't like them. Right. Well but I'm
not looking at that at the time because I'm looking at 20,000 people that love me. So
anytime everybody wants to go, like, what was it like to I go, you know, I guess if
the point counterpoint is
I was on the cover of Time Magazine in the same year that people were saying I sucked as one of the most influential
people on the planet
and accepting that I was. I knew I'd use this Internet in a way that nobody I got there first and then figured it out, so I could actually sit there and be like, this is true. Yeah. I am an influential person. I don't know more than this year, and I definitely think if they did an issue called
where did they
misstep, I would have been on the cover of a few of those. But I never
was down,
even when people were taking potshots,
because I've never not had an audience.
I've never had an audience I'm fortunate that I never had an audience abandon
me, to where I'm like, I can't do gigs.
Thirty one years, I've never not performed. And if I tell people I'm at a place, they come out. So
that
only helped business
because it made me more interesting than I actually really am, which is a homebody.
I do my gig. I do these big, massive shows.
And then I actually thought, man, I'm just kind of a pretty
average guy.
And yet that version of me, either loved or hated, was so much more interesting for people to
parse. Right. And it was very good for business. Do people ever think that you on stage is not authentic?
I think years ago, people felt like, oh, the energy's a put on, and it's just this whirling dervish of energy, but like, what's he really like? And you're like, but actually I've never done drugs or you know Never. Never drank, yeah. Yeah, but I also knew at that time I was not false, but I didn't have all the
accoutrements that I wanted to build up as well rounded performer. I knew I broke even though it took a lot of years, I still was like, I'm only fifteen years into this. Like, I have so much to learn.
I I I have a lot of things that
I I need to Fifteen years in any other career? Like, you're, like, you're a veteran. Right. And yet I knew that fifteen years in, I I could look and go, alright. If there's 20 boxes that I've seen other
comics that I wanna emulate and love, I I check eight.
You know? Or I could talk to my comedian friends and be like, man,
remember in 2011,
I walked into the laugh factory,
and for the first time in my career, I planted my feet.
I did not take the mic out of the stand, and I said, for one year,
I'm not going to move.
I need to learn complete stillness.
I need to learn to tell a story right here. I
love physicality, and I always wanna add that as flair.
But I was like, I need to learn absolute stillness in vernacular
only. I need to be funny quite simply by telling you something poignant because I want to talk about poignant things Yeah. And I want to be introspective.
But if you're talking about something that's very genuine and you're adding this, now that's a distraction.
This works
if that's part of the character.
But when I'm talking about like, for example, I I have a story in the news special about a stalker
that I have, that I've been dealing with. Open case LAPD.
A violent stalker.
A person who has physically threatened to kill him. Man or a woman? It's a woman.
I knew that if I was gonna make that story funny,
because there is funny, crazy shit in this story,
the only way that I would eventually in my career be able to tell a story that that's that is that real and stark and caustic and meaningful
is if I just tell you like this.
This woman
said, I'm going to kill you.
I'm gonna find you, and I'm gonna murder you.
And I remember
sitting there and thinking,
man, I wish I read this after I ate this pizza because I've been waiting all it was like, I was finding humor.
Yeah. Because also, I grew up in a family that
humor
helped us to get it was a coping mechanism.
So even with this scary thing that I was dealing with, I I could find humor to cope because I was really scared, genuinely.
But the 2011
planting my feet in 2022
is the best fucking decision I could have made back then. Because now I can
I can just be completely
transparent?
And then I can put the what's that? Was that difficult? No.
Because I got I got good at it. There's other things that are difficult still. I don't
if I want it. Like, there are other elements that I, you know man, I'm still learning. I'm 31 years, and I still feel like there's things that I could be better at,
ways that I could, you know, dovetail into certain things. And I might say to you, like, man, I've gotten really
I'm, you know, I'm laser with, like, improv
and you not seeing the stitches between jokes. I can segue,
but then I can find other things that
that I'm still desperately
trying to figure out the
ultimate way to I'm a storyteller, I'm not a joke teller. Yeah. So I want three acts in everything I tell you. Yeah. I wanna be able to have three acts, and the way that I construct most of my humor is like this. There's an act one, which is like the information.
There's an act two, which is the dark center of the joke or whatever that might be. Then there's an in between with act two to three, and it's improv. And I'm gonna play off the crowd, or I'm gonna find something new, and I give myself permission to leave the joke,
to explore my feelings.
Something I learned from Chappelle. I started off with Dave in New York City, and I would watch Dave. He could be so poignant,
and he could really
feel
a feeling in real time and then add it into the routine. So it was like learning from the people that I came up with to go, if I can have a prewritten piece of material that is formulaic and funny,
but I can put something very real at any given time in it. So that's in between act two and three, and then the act three is what? The punch line Yeah. Yeah. The button, the tag, and then stitch, stitch, stitch, the segue,
and you shouldn't know any of that.
You should only be laughing and enjoying,
and you're not realizing, to me, that's
three years of working on that piece
to make something that should just feel like we're just shooting the shit. But you're such a great storyteller. Thanks, man. Yeah, love it. That's what makes you so good at what you do. I
truly genuinely appreciate that because I I I love it. There's a story
a clip from a story on YouTube with you and Dave Chappelle. I'm sure you know the story I'm talking about, the laugh factory,
where it it's supposed to be Dane's night, and Dave Chappelle shows up. Not true. That none of that story is true? No. And apparently,
Dave got this tight 10 and The guy that yeah. Yeah. Okay. So You know the whole thing. Yeah. But the guy that told the story even told the story by saying,
I heard this thing,
and I don't know, but I heard and it was like he prefaced it by saying that Dave came in and basically because it was my night that Dave did a set and then said, hey, everybody. Join me outside for a cigarette. And then the arena And then the crowd just followed Dave And
the guy was like, this is like 2,006 or seven. Let me tell you something. Dave and I were both at the peak of our power at 02/1967.
You know, him at the Chappelle show and just everything in his life that was happening. And, you know, me from this meteoric
like,
the two people you're not leaving a room at that era was me and Dave. I mean, I'm not trying to sound like, you know, so, like,
it's just not true.
So he didn't say, let's go outside. I'm gonna go No.
I just saw David Summercamp. I did his
his Yellow Springs show. Like, he's like I adore that guy. We would never do anything to try to
to underhand,
you know, to to take away from one another. Both of us know probably more than most people that,
you know, this isn't
this isn't the job that
this isn't a good look in this job to try to take something away from somebody else. Yeah. And Dave would never do that. And people that believe that, I know it's a good story and it sounds fun to tell, but it's like, he would never have done that to me. There's, like, 6,000,000
views on that.
6,000,000 people that you're saying people have been lied to. You're you just set the record straight. Yeah. Maybe this will get 12,000,000 views Alright. We'll see. And everyone will see. We'll see. Actually, it's a it's such a good story. It's like, let it be out there. Yeah. You know how it is. Yeah. It's all But the title of it is like
Dave Chappelle savagely
ruins ruins
Dane Cook's career.
Right. That's
just so ridiculous.
Yeah. I mean, I was also, um, in a magazine article once that said I was dating, uh, Rihanna.
Oh, that's nice. She came to the show, and then there was this whole breakdown of, like, we went to the Pacific Palisades. And, like, for years, my friends were like, man, what was that like? I'm like, never met her.
You know? These things just had it's fodder. It's like
the Internet is ready? This is what the Internet is. It's just waiting for one person to say it so everybody can believe it.
One person says it. We've seen it recently with people that something really terrible is said. One person says it, and then everybody runs with it. And it's like that on the good side and the bad side. Sometimes people can say something that, like,
this person's a hero because they once saved the dog from a fire, and that person's like, I never did that. I called the fire department, but I never ran into the And so that's all the Internet's waiting for us. One
good sounding story to go, let's latch onto that. It's like a big game of broken telephone.
Yeah. No, the Internet is
the Internet is a
it's a it's a TV program. It's one
show Yeah. With
remember Three's Company was all about misdirection?
Jack would hear something, and then the whole episode is I heard the tail end of a What a great reference. Three's Company. The whole Internet is just, I think I heard a thing, and then somebody else goes, well, I'll meme it. And then another person says, a source said and then all of a sudden, you're just watching this thing, you're like, well, that was fun, but that's not me. There's
there's so many
parts of your career where I feel like
you were already at a really big level, and then you took it to another big level. And I feel like the movies for you were a really big part of that. Yeah. It was fun because that, like, when movies came around, it was really just fans of the stand up that suddenly are hitting you up saying, you know, do you wanna play in this sandbox for a little bit? You know? I didn't I wanted to do film, and I had hoped to, you know, broaden my my aspirations.
But for me it was like, I'll just follow where stand up takes me. And then it took me to some really interesting places. It continues to, you know, every once in while my phone rings and it's like, you know, Mel Brooks, like, you wanna do the producers at the Hollywood Bowl? And it's like, I just continue to feed the stand up because
what comes from it is
it's fascinating.
What was the movie that really, like, took it up, you think?
I mean, on the comedy side, definitely My Best Friend's Girl was, like, the one that I felt like for me, you know, just as a performer and a producer.
I'm I'm really proud of that. You know, the other comedies were a lot of fun,
but I sometimes
signed on late, and it was like, show up and I'm just part of another person's
ride or vision. But I produced that with Lionsgate, and I got to really build that character and script from the ground up. And then on the drama side, it was like,
man, Dan in Real Life, Peter Hedges gave me the opportunity to
show vulnerability.
Such a sleeper, great movie. Yeah, it really is. And it's like, with Disney plus now, all these things like planes or that
new
audiences and families are finding them. But probably Mr. Brooks, I got to play a real
salacious,
you know, lascivious character.
And
I I mean, honestly, man, it's just like I've been really lucky. I've been lucky to you know, lady luck once in a while just throws me something that's so
you know, I've done song and dance at Hollywood Bowl with V Mel Brooks. I've worked with Jerry Lewis. I've worked with some of the greats, the Kevin Costners, and then I've had the chance to just continue to
create things like Above It All and do something that I feel like is
the heart and soul of who I am, which is a person that just wants to make people laugh. Where does the process begin? Like, so Above It All is about to come out, and you told me off camera you're already working on the next special. That's right. So is just
workshopping
stuff? Is it writing jokes down? What is it? Yeah. I mean, it's for me, it always starts with what's the piece of material
that is really,
like, where I'm at right now in my life. Right? What's something that, like, you know, am I deeply in love? Am I at the opposite? Am I just like, you know,
The Bachelor out on the town? Am I trying to escape in my life? Am I trying to be more centered? Everything is a through line and a theme. And with this,
the bit that I
told a story about five years ago, it's been five, with the pandemic it was like a pause and then working on it again. So this is the longest incubation period of like,
usually it's a couple years and you film it, right? Yeah, yeah. But this is four years, almost five with some of this material.
And I tell a story
about
the first
really bad hell gig that I did,
and it was really humiliating.
And I walked people through this whole story. I told her five years ago, and I was like, when I go
on the next stage to
do a show for television,
I'm
gonna tell that that's gonna be the crux.
And so it starts with one thing and I kinda build build out from there. So, I mean, you are in love right now. Right? We both just got engaged. That's right. Congratulations. Congratulations. For both of us. Yeah. Right? Right? I didn't I didn't make a comedy bit about it, though.
I did. It's in the trailer for this. Yeah. Yeah. I I definitely
you know,
I can't do a stand up comedy special or album without talking about relationships in some way, cause it's the one through line that fans always want. Fans always want something in there about,
you know, a makeup, a breakup, cheating,
you know, being you know, being like,
you know, sowing your oats. At every point in my career since I was 19 years old, people want some kind of like, you know,
something to do with like falling in or falling out of love. In fact, Troublemaker, that whole special, speaking of like theme and through line, I called it Troublemaker because my whole goal was to break people up.
And I broke a lot of people up with that special. A lot of people broke What it bit specifically? No, the whole thing. The whole it's just a savage
I say at the beginning of that show, I'm like,
you know,
if you make it through this comedy routine, you're gonna look at the person you're with at the end, and you're either gonna be better from it, or I'm gonna ruin you.
And it was like and and I said, and you're gonna be glad because I'm either gonna, like, end this because you're not meant to be together,
or you'll know
that because of the and so I cultivated a whole set that I felt like I was a troublemaker. It was like I was gonna rabble rouse Man. And make make people break up, or a lot of people wrote me and said, we got married after that special.
We we knew we were right for each other after that special. Does your fiance ever go, please, we don't need to talk more about our relationship. Oh, no. She's very funny. She's super funny, and she is
man, she's like silver tongued. So it's like,
you know,
you're a comedian. You wanna be with somebody who, first of all, thinks you're funny.
Right? That helps. Sure. But if you you could be with somebody who's also kind of funny, but Kelsey is like,
I can't even repeat some of the things that you know, like, she'll go there. Like, I'll say some crazy shit, and then she'll stay say stuff that makes me go, I cannot believe you just said that. I mean, she's she's awesome. Look. You don't even have to be a comedian to want your partner to think you're funny. Like, if my fiance didn't think I was funny Right. This would not work. Right. You know, when you're with somebody and, like, you'd say something funny and every once in a while they just look you be like, that is not funny. I get that a lot. It just it just steals your soul. So to be with somebody that, like I mean, also, we we we laugh a lot. We're always having a good time. Rachel gives me this one. She'll be like, you think you're so funny,
Like,
aren't I?
No. Not right now. Yikes. Not right now. Okay. That's fair. Okay. That's fair. Not right now is okay. I'll take a not right now every once in while. She's hungry or a little low blood sugar. It's like, but, you know, when it's like when, you know, when somebody's like, try harder, then it's like, okay.
Back to the open mics. What's the piece of advice that you dole out now to comedians that are coming out or coming up? I try to tell them the best advice I ever got, and it's the only thing that they should ever hear from another comedian, which is
you know better than anybody
what you should be doing up there. Okay? My
whole
gear with,
you know, being in a mentor situation with
forget about comedians, but anybody kind of on the come up in the arts is
I will fight anybody
away from you so you can keep your integrity. You have to just you know, you know I don't know. I I would never even dare to say to somebody like, you should be doing this.
You should chain I
stay far away from that. I most of my mentorship
is, like, on the on the legalese side. I've been through so much stuff legally that I I feel like I'm the one who says, like, let's read your contract together. Do you know how to read a contract? Do you know the things that you should be looking out for? Oh, it's 40 pages. That's already a contract you don't want.
Boiler room. This can be three pages. If somebody hands you a 40 page contract,
you're in rough shape. So my whole mentor thing is like helping a comic, especially comics.
Doesn't even matter if I think it's the funniest thing.
It's like what you believe in,
in your messaging,
that's what you need to get to the core of. And stay away from the noise of
other comics and other people saying, you shouldn't do that, or that's offensive, or it's like, that's what you sign up for. This job is about turning people off. As much as you think it's about making people laugh, you're never gonna make everybody love you. You're never gonna be funny to everybody all the time. So
you're signing up for a your success
comes at the heels of people not liking what you do. So you have to be able to go, oh, I'm I'm I've got my strong opinion. Yeah. They don't like it, but they're laughing a lot.
And early in a comedy career, sometimes you go, oh, man, these people weren't laughing.
And you you're like, that makes you feel bad.
It's, like, good. That's actually good. You want them laughing,
them to be like, I don't I'm not into this. So that's about pushing the envelope as much as you possibly can? It's not even it's not even, like, the envelope of, like, oh, I'm saying things that are, like, so obtuse and, like no. It's quite literally, like,
some people's sense of humor is, like,
dull, or they're gonna be into something that's, like, they love
very political like, it's not even pushing the envelope. It's it's going, these are the things that are funny to me. This is what I'll say. There's two kinds of comics, and this is the comic I wanted to be versus some comics do this.
Some comics
write and think,
what is funny to them?
What is funny that they that they will laugh at and latch onto? And they write from that. But the comics I loved were what's funny to me, and how can I bring people into my world?
And maybe
their flex of that are gonna make them go like, oh, that's like that speaks to me. That's what you want. Them not laughing,
them cracking up. And And if you can do that, you start to know like, oh, I I think I I think I have a
a
persona
that as time goes on, those people won't show up for the show. Yeah. More of these people will. Yeah. I just wanna thank you for always being so genuine. Oh, man. Dude, Always being so generous with your time and your wisdom. Love talking shop. You know, it's like when when we first started DMing, I was like, you know, this is just this is what I wanna be doing. Talking stand up and talking about,
you know, creating something from nothing and saying, like, how can we
we how can we make more Yeah. People
you know,
just have the the time of their life for a little while, escape everything, turn on a comedy show that's really beautiful as well, and go,
this is a nice little pause from all that other stuff. I love that you're so passionate about it that you're like, oh, when we're done here, I'm gonna go swing by the laugh factory. I'm
pretty exhausted. I've done a bunch of interviews and a lot of stuff today,
as I'm doing every day. But it's because I want to talk about it. I want to keep going. I'm excited. I end every conversation with the same question because I'm all about gratitude. I start and end every day saying out loud three things that I'm grateful for. Yeah. So what are three things in your life that you're grateful for right now? Love.
Grateful for love. You know? It
it makes it's the adhesive, man. It makes everything else
everything that I thought was great about, like, having whatever passion or creativity or everything
was,
like, in, like, hitting the nitro button in a, you know, fast car already once, like, I really had genuine love in my life, both being able to really give it and really receive it in its truest form. I I will echo that too. Yeah, man. Love is Changes your life. Changes it it it it narrows the scope in a way you want it to be. Yeah. When you're a young man, it's like,
you know,
you're looking at everything all at once and try but once you have that person, especially that one person who just
they love you for
the things that you accomplish,
don't accomplish, just your passion and what you give to them and how
what I think is important, how you champion them.
The best kind of relationship this is a relationship, Shona is like,
they're into your goals and want to help you. You're into their goals and unselfishly
just want to help them. And then you've got some stuff together that you're looking forward to doing. If you can have that triangulation,
hold on to that. That's what you want the rest of your life. Two other things.
That there's a stage somewhere that I can get on for a little while in the pandemic, it felt like it was gone. I never thought stand up would be gone. I always looked at stand up as if everything else goes away, we'll always need laughter. Sure. And then suddenly that was gone.
And that was,
like,
gut wrenchingly
depressing. Yeah. I mean, I
didn't even know what I was feeling
when I was exploring that idea of, like, I I may never do it again. Like, I don't know what the world's gonna do, but, like, I may never be with a group of people in a building making them laugh in that way again.
So gratitude
to be able to get on a stage somewhere and
not only that, but just be able to get on a stage. And also, it's still the last place that you can really go, unless people are filming it and sharing it. And just share thoughts, and it doesn't all have to
make sense or always be,
you know
It's still a place a bit like a speakeasy that you can go into and just talk some smack, and
most people are cool with that and understand it's jokes. So
that, and then the third
that I got to
I'm always grateful, and not a day goes by where I don't thank God that I got to show my mom and dad everything
that they hoped for me. Everything that they the pieces that they saw of possibility,
and yet all the obstacles and being self loathing and having all that, you know, fear. When I was a kid, anxiety and being what
I told you about, which is just like not
really having a lot of self worth as a young person. And
I'm thinking about it now, that I got to hug them and show them
that I could do this incredible thing in front of all these thousands of people and make them laugh. So those three things are
that's it. I can't wait to see what's next for you. I can't wait to see this. I can't wait to see this. This is it. You know? This is like
you know, I don't know what I would even do past this. I usually always have an idea. Like, I'm working on the next one now, but I can't honestly say because I'm still trying to discover what is that theme moment. This
is like this is something I look at and go, man, I I just
don't know what I would do past this. I I've played a lot of stages that I got to play Radio City in 2019,
and that was, like, the last place that I really felt like I need to play.
And when I did that show,
I remember leaving there and feeling like, I don't have another stage that I have to play in the world. There's not another place. I've performed for all
the troops. I've done the greatest USO shows. Those are things that were really important to me. And I got to do, obviously, Madison Square Garden, Boston Garden, a bunch of great arena shows, but those
classic locations. But it was always Radio City that I wanted to play in my house. I always wanted to do this show. So I don't know what's next, but I too am excited to try to figure it out. Dude, thank you so much. Oh, man. You got it. Thank you, Chris. Appreciate it.